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On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:38:39 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>
> la Jonathan Jones cu cusku di'e=20
> > Here's a hypothetical example of why I don't agree that srana "x1 is=20
> > pertinent/relevant to x2" could be used to mean "dedicated to":=20
> >=20
> > Let us say that I wrote a book, and upon its being published, I gave it=
=20
> > the dedication "To my wife, for putting up with me as I wrote this".=20
> > Then is would be true that {lo mi cukta cu ckini lo mi speni lodu'u ca=
=20
> > nu mi ciska ku sy. se fanza mi}.=20
>
> (You forgot a "lo" before after "ca".)=20
>
> > However, other than the dedication, my=20
> > wife has nothing to do with the book- the story contained within has=20
> > absolutely nothing to do with my wife in any way, except in that she ma=
y=20
> > find it enjoyable to read, which has nothing to do with the decision to=
=20
> > dedicate it to her, and so {lo mi cukta cu na srana lo mi speni}, it's=
=20
> > in no way pertinent to/relevant to/concerning/about my wife.=20
>
> Here is a non-hypothetical example from my own experience: Whenever I=20
> create something, for example when I compose a piece or when I write a=20
> book or any such thing, I always dedicate it to someone (and it's always=
=20
> a different person each time). If someone was familiar with my musical=20
> pieces and wanted to refer to one of them, I would consider it entirely=
=20
> correct to use srana/pe thus:=20
>
> mi nelci lo do zgike se finti .i pu zi tinju'i lo do se finti pe la'o=20
> me. Han Ga Eun .me=20
>
> Or:=20
>
> mi pu zi tinju'i lo srana be la'o me. Han Ga Eun .me=20
>
> "I like your compositions. I just listened to your Han Ga Eun piece."=20
>
> That's the easiest way to distinguish them, especially since I don't=20
> give my pieces names. pe/ne/srana are by nature vague and rely on=20
> context. And I think that's a good thing.=20
>

In such cases I would use  seki'i/do'e.

>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i=20
>
> --=20
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo je nai zo lejbo=20
>
> do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u=20
>     .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u=20
> ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu=20
>     .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi=20
> gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi=20
>     .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo da'i pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku=20
>
>
> .=20
>
>
> .=20
>

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<br><br>On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:38:39 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">la Jonathan Jones cu cusku di'e
<br>&gt; Here's a hypothetical example of why I don't agree that srana "x1 =
is
<br>&gt; pertinent/relevant to x2" could be used to mean "dedicated to":
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Let us say that I wrote a book, and upon its being published, I ga=
ve it
<br>&gt; the dedication "To my wife, for putting up with me as I wrote this=
".
<br>&gt; Then is would be true that {lo mi cukta cu ckini lo mi speni lodu'=
u ca
<br>&gt; nu mi ciska ku sy. se fanza mi}.
<br>
<br>(You forgot a "lo" before after "ca".)
<br>
<br>&gt; However, other than the dedication, my
<br>&gt; wife has nothing to do with the book- the story contained within h=
as
<br>&gt; absolutely nothing to do with my wife in any way, except in that s=
he may
<br>&gt; find it enjoyable to read, which has nothing to do with the decisi=
on to
<br>&gt; dedicate it to her, and so {lo mi cukta cu na srana lo mi speni}, =
it's
<br>&gt; in no way pertinent to/relevant to/concerning/about my wife.
<br>
<br>Here is a non-hypothetical example from my own experience: Whenever I=
=20
<br>create something, for example when I compose a piece or when I write a=
=20
<br>book or any such thing, I always dedicate it to someone (and it's alway=
s=20
<br>a different person each time). If someone was familiar with my musical=
=20
<br>pieces and wanted to refer to one of them, I would consider it entirely=
=20
<br>correct to use srana/pe thus:
<br>
<br>mi nelci lo do zgike se finti .i pu zi tinju'i lo do se finti pe la'o=
=20
<br>me. Han Ga Eun .me
<br>
<br>Or:
<br>
<br>mi pu zi tinju'i lo srana be la'o me. Han Ga Eun .me
<br>
<br>"I like your compositions. I just listened to your Han Ga Eun piece."
<br>
<br>That's the easiest way to distinguish them, especially since I don't=20
<br>give my pieces names. pe/ne/srana are by nature vague and rely on=20
<br>context. And I think that's a good thing.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In such cases I would use &nbsp;seki'i=
/do'e.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-lef=
t: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
<br>
<br>--=20
<br>pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo je nai zo lejbo
<br>
<br>do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
<br>ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
<br>gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo da'i pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku
<br>
<br>
<br>.
<br>
<br>
<br>.
<br></blockquote>

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