Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:33537) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TgMC2-0004rl-AC; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:08:01 -0800 Received: by mail-bk0-f61.google.com with SMTP id j5sf2265204bkw.16 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:07:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7fr53t46KtdgxumnGSGMpvKbNmti09SlY9l9uFPF95g=; b=jjpvHB6m401jg1l1DMfnxugj5HuQpkhJ0m9ZZw0bzigioWdiUVauC/fZHk/hiMCrX0 MmE98D9w5cCd68j6d5FTK674qLUddeI/j3ghHMK0pAQwW+TNgkkZTqeIzQmWDkKSane2 hXPZ9TkXFAIGbjlEVqTnciufQIm+3un3qIJOvPflN00l3i8LPgYktxOrXxZLFZTAVnPi bxJ0vUuUbvj4R+l1tPKltneKtZWY0TvSdelbhakr+iBaUdT/O52g2l760fh6HeWxNFCv 0OI5nHpeXioaBBpgH2KbMDoYPi9NS8vAibZ2jCoDMB+znXyGYolfme2ujQ8yaNCpemPn lGwQ== Received: by 10.180.98.227 with SMTP id el3mr623871wib.10.1354741658573; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:07:38 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.87.230 with SMTP id bb6ls1006598wib.12.gmail; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.180.2 with SMTP id i2mr19299723eem.1.1354741657798; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.180.2 with SMTP id i2mr19299720eem.1.1354741657784; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ea0-f181.google.com (mail-ea0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z44si1693775een.0.2012.12.05.13.07.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.181; Received: by mail-ea0-f181.google.com with SMTP id k14so2695663eaa.26 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.223.200 with SMTP id v48mr64900158eep.24.1354741657650; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.45.67 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <33272af0-7522-44d7-a040-e451bf851595@googlegroups.com> References: <33272af0-7522-44d7-a040-e451bf851595@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:07:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why no "about" brivla? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Fr=F6jd?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b62282044454904d0215f7f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 5979 --047d7b62282044454904d0215f7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Because those places are an inherent quality of each concept? Otherwise I'm not totally against a new BAI, but I think I would like to be able of saying things like "lo terjdi", lo "terctu", etc, now and then. Personally it doesn't matter if I have to learn a few more tersu'i. What impact would glekis proposal have on usage btw? mu'omi'e jongausib 2012/12/1 la gleki > cfika > x1 is a work of fiction *about plot or theme x2* by author x3 > ciksi > x1 explains *x2* to x3 with explanation x4 > cilre > x1 learns x2 *about x3* from x4 by method > ctuca > x1 teaches to x2 ideas x3 *about subject x4* by method x5 > djuno > x1 knows fact x2 *about x*3 by epistemology x4 > draci > x1 is a drama or play* about x2* by x3 for audience x4 with actors x4 > facki > x1 discovers x2 *about x3* > jdice > x1 makes decision x2 *about x3* > jimpe > x1 understands x2 *about x3* > morji > x1 remembers x2 *about subject x3* > > And my question is > > Why memorising so many places when they could be replaced by a BAI formed > from a hypothetical brivla > > broda = x1 is the theme/topic of x2; x2 is about x1 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/3vlYgCwqkegJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --047d7b62282044454904d0215f7f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because those places are an inherent quality of each concept?

Otherw= ise I'm not totally against a new BAI, but I think I would like to be a= ble of saying things like "lo terjdi", lo "terctu", etc= , now and then. Personally it doesn't matter if I have to learn a few m= ore tersu'i.

What impact would glekis proposal have on usage btw?

mu'omi&= #39;e jongausib

2012/12/1 la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
cfika
=A0 x1 is a work of fiction about plot or theme x2<= /b> by author x3
ciksi
x1 explains x2 to x3 with explanation x4
cilre
<= /div>
x1 learns x2 abou= t x3 from x4 by method
ctuca
x1 teaches to x2 ideas x3 about subject x4 by method x5
djuno
x1 = knows fact x2 about x3 by epistemology x4
draci
x1 is a drama or play about x2 by x3 for audience x4 with actors x= 4
facki
x1 discovers x2 about x3
jdice
x1 makes decision x2 about x3
jimpe
x1 understands x2 about x3=
morji
x1 r= emembers x2 about subject x3
And my question is

Why me= morising so many places when they could be replaced by a BAI formed from a = hypothetical brivla

broda =3D x1 is the theme/topic of x2; x2 is about x1

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