Received: from mail-pa0-f60.google.com ([209.85.220.60]:32819) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TgdwK-0002jw-6E; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:04:52 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f60.google.com with SMTP id hz1sf6037338pad.25 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:04:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Be19I/t2BdkDI0QTPyUi3LawQW1X1mvHdPJMOAQiKoA=; b=ocFDG1ABNivMBGm0vk3oFlJMgL3Ud+K69xwwZ9Zp4O+zvjc68fdW0Ty9i8iObVDkOo uT4PLc8UrrguIgPct3174rGsVVNmTRT5yNv0iC0d387qeTQGxT03B5ldNJZ7U5i0XOMt ELxozxIholuoeYFVIL/oTDXsnUqyhoBZb25KKXtderjqQwX8qnrut3MXCZKX9kXoIo/8 0eiXPbg0dr48gLRxekq4vA0IjeLCTsChu8yQmu0Wcd9hUNyqEiblvFvXsXpM08OhZAsl NTTGoBUMxufLFRv2GL7WzZjeifmb7QHpmC0DVf40RhT9B6X9FkRb00CCTPdwSX6+tGyk fG5g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Be19I/t2BdkDI0QTPyUi3LawQW1X1mvHdPJMOAQiKoA=; b=crmoNeZ/iMH4+Tn0w1v0Kdrza5WVtl9VBs5FiKLd1nlKK7D1EUlE1yDpPHsYuD4ZrG ATjcte/q1fM0bhbYmPOGFjMuu1mIHhCgosef4A0LNW+n5Hl6tA1bQANdho3rCN+En+L7 4o+9flNWkXqvov2DnhsfQjhaYnsS9wO99+vRF1ZFr8TB7iv5/IZGNDjriJvqMTGwBcVG +UW9Qxynb0BfD8G5NZVYoOsty7EXSa3LzppKAuRoI6aRupreJ60dp2aNENA9HaZpBGRn qOzD3phqP9Y3qmsHg4xV+owHNfcA4ayCf8bwpJvAi9ul3pxBck4UwCh0pp/i/RsMkJ4+ l6tw== Received: by 10.50.213.33 with SMTP id np1mr626947igc.3.1354809878050; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:04:38 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.197.230 with SMTP id ix6ls2377467igc.30.gmail; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.78.132 with SMTP id b4mr515620pax.18.1354809877287; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.78.132 with SMTP id b4mr515619pax.18.1354809877272; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id yl8si1707127pbc.1.2012.12.06.08.04.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.53; Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id hz1so4226600pad.40 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.84.132 with SMTP id z4mr5083893pay.63.1354809877190; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:04:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.15.70 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:04:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6abd7c5a-3b12-4f9e-8cbb-cc1250a86d78@googlegroups.com> References: <6abd7c5a-3b12-4f9e-8cbb-cc1250a86d78@googlegroups.com> From: ".arpis." Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:04:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Practicality of learning/speaking Lojban To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042ef76b77d63004d03141fd X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4429 --f46d042ef76b77d63004d03141fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've found that it helps me organize my thoughts: trying to express something in lojban requires you to go beyond the symbol and dig into the substance (mostly because you don't have an expression already prepared, so you need to figure out what exactly it is that you want to say in the process of translating, since metaphors don't translate). I've also noticed myself having thoughts that would be much nicer/cleaner/more precise if I could express them in lojban (but I'm not yet fluent enough). On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, lopa temtru wrote: > I've taken up learning Lojban as a hobby, but I was wondering if anyone > could come up with any practical benefits of learning and speaking fluently > in Lojban? > > ki'e > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/CsQ6qGW3lQwJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d042ef76b77d63004d03141fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've found that it helps me organize my thoughts: trying to express som= ething in lojban requires you to go beyond the symbol and dig into the subs= tance (mostly because you don't have an expression already prepared, so= you need to figure out what exactly it is that you want to say in the proc= ess of translating, since metaphors don't translate).

I've also noticed myself having thoughts that would be much nicer/c= leaner/more precise if I could express them in lojban (but I'm not yet = fluent enough).


On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, lopa temtru <azuritiss@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
I've taken up learning Lojban as a hobby, but I was wondering if a= nyone could come up with any practical benefits of learning and speaking fl= uently in Lojban?
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