Received: from mail-gh0-f184.google.com ([209.85.160.184]:44740) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tgm3e-0006mH-Oh; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:45:01 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f184.google.com with SMTP id f18sf4533961ghb.11 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HXaghAZ0lYYigQYhRfSjWc5Xrr/idiepj6y7m5EDhrE=; b=cdAz5wTuo+ZSM+wFXitbb0perLCruOkwyWukeA3O+v6zEklyDQRk7YpQ4IP46xONBI eMH+KEhrlN4EbWVHKWJOlMJz2UmVlMhpn5nkLjeW8kIm5wGyWjJUhgwc1nLX38OpM2PH 2m03r6yAXRF2/MTa04pf9DkfzaQEGBey087n7czWMAGeszJNBR+molh1Ye8BcGqLJFHb /oGb31nZuBFULDMmp7Ua/SDGokjF3F0j5YQiI5ZDcbw6KPqSZwSY+AhECwFKlxVqvtiG CE9Kp+QUiCWZoqflaV8pHUvarH+vO7GKHpxABRlLJHcdpjSrAC9ryA9B/LCtkwzrVBoj ORGw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HXaghAZ0lYYigQYhRfSjWc5Xrr/idiepj6y7m5EDhrE=; b=q4FOJK/zutjjL6OTh/DaPrl07Cl07WbDM+ccYPb4dXbmVa5Yy47WC9z4QrJm5hrMy6 Q6x3OsQaoJ4U+HI45mseHQIsjnQVxcw2znSqSP7tra50eNjby3zhVWCN6ZlIZ7L9rlUS eBM3ZMQn5hEgUsE42s8d9OHk7G1NP29QoRq5Jdbfpyihz6MbDudirm5KUjIebOT91m7E EzuFbobf18NSBQXWlOlTsBexzy3wxFeXGTQAKwQCKttKZMEZr0XSE5jgatX0LQkENGHw Ft/G+HifvBaJE6qcWkKC3e5YYlun4kxPDt0E9/Zf1nNLMBbgtPnbYuHxlDpKL45aYVDg j+KA== Received: by 10.50.135.66 with SMTP id pq2mr1268303igb.3.1354841083982; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.76.202 with SMTP id m10ls3117180igw.26.gmail; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.41.9 with SMTP id n9mr2476483ice.29.1354841082426; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.41.9 with SMTP id n9mr2476482ice.29.1354841082383; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s15si634464igi.1.2012.12.06.16.44.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id uo13so9035765obb.22 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.235.46 with SMTP id uj14mr2354505obc.40.1354841082075; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:44:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50C1078B.2060509@lojban.org> References: <6abd7c5a-3b12-4f9e-8cbb-cc1250a86d78@googlegroups.com> <50C1078B.2060509@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:44:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Practicality of learning/speaking Lojban From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b60246c9be204d038851d X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 8339 --14dae93b60246c9be204d038851d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> The stated primary purpose of Lojban is to be a language which both >> humans and computers can understand, so that one can speak to both using >> the same language (rather than for example, English with humans and C++ >> with computers), so, there's that. >> > > Actually, that is NOT the primary purpose, but one possible secondary > purpose. From the intro brochure (largely unchanged for 25 years): > Right, sorry. I had completely forgotten about the SWH. > Why was Lojban developed? >> > >> Lojban was originally designed for the purpose of supporting research >> on a concept known as the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis: "the structure of a >> language constrains the thinking of people using that language". >> Lojban allows the full expressive capability of a natural language, >> but differs in structure from other languages in major ways. This >> allows its use as a test vehicle for scientists studying the >> relationships between language, thought, and culture. >> > > > > > >Other uses for Lojban > >> >> Lojban was designed as a human language, and not as a computer >> language. It is therefore intended for use in conversation, reading, >> writing, and thinking. However, since Lojban can be processed by a >> computer much more easily than can a natural language, Lojban-based >> computer applications are a natural expectation. Due to its >> unambiguous grammar and simple structure, it can be easily parsed by >> computers, making it possible for Lojban to be used in the future for >> computer-human interaction, and perhaps conversation. Lojban's >> predicate structure is similar to AI, suggesting it as a powerful >> tool in AI processing, especially in the storing and processing of >> data about the world and people's conceptions of it. Linguists are >> interested in Lojban's potential as an intermediate language in >> computer-aided translation of natural languages. Other people are >> interested in Lojban as an international language. >> > > > lojbab > > -- > Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org > President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban-beginners?hl=en > . > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Bob LeChevalier,= President and Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
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Jonathan Jones wrote:
The stated primary purpose of Lojban is to be a language which both
humans and computers can understand, so that one can speak to both using the same language (rather than for example, English with humans and C++
with computers), so, there's that.

Actually, that is NOT the primary purpose, but one possible secondary purpo= se. =A0From the intro brochure (largely unchanged for 25 years):

Right, sorry. I had completely forgotten about the SWH.
=A0
Why was Lojban developed?

Lojban was originally designed for the purpose of supporting research
on a concept known as the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis: "the structure of a<= br> language constrains the thinking of people using that language".
Lojban allows the full expressive capability of a natural language,
but differs in structure from other languages in major ways. This
allows its use as a test vehicle for scientists studying the
relationships between language, thought, and culture.
>
>
>Other uses for Lojban

Lojban was designed as a human language, and not as a computer
language. It is therefore intended for use in conversation, reading,
writing, and thinking. However, since Lojban can be processed by a
computer much more easily than can a natural language, Lojban-based
computer applications are a natural expectation. Due to its
unambiguous grammar and simple structure, it can be easily parsed by
computers, making it possible for Lojban to be used in the future for
computer-human interaction, and perhaps conversation. Lojban's
predicate structure is similar to AI, suggesting it as a powerful
tool in AI processing, especially in the storing and processing of
data about the world and people's conceptions of it. Linguists are
interested in Lojban's potential as an intermediate language in
computer-aided translation of natural languages. Other people are
interested in Lojban as an international language.


lojbab

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President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.


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