Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:54889) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TgsDh-0008Ni-MU; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:19:48 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f189.google.com with SMTP id f16sf101982ghb.16 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:19:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding :content-type; bh=lDiad8+SHJNJabff1YwbkThCQx1qrbqj1V6fQ4KnWFg=; b=ur5h6yeqgUsPvACc3YtOVC6VGC3+yEy4+WxaoFApUEqPIeoQTkqxRR2QqCpnLt7s1f KqnyzbQyvmvrEFomX9isFB9E5Gj1/idgqak2Afx/KXV7PPM6jkOyihAn/1nC5ew9vSkf ZeqE+mjgak87bBXDzrIjsXxb16q4wfY+QW98JjirIP8T1YOGEGkjihRgvoQK/2jswjln f/53XIkmG5O8yrvOMF2GQk+QroaJvO1Pedh+sCWCxKd2nAFpYTjfMoDAqyUr8uewZko4 Ec5uT4Pq734ti0rV+IPNSeM1e9j6B3IQVI9iGaiIRvRnjwISRkH3nVuBYyiBRFfkuJxs K63Q== Received: by 10.49.15.38 with SMTP id u6mr892627qec.8.1354864770907; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:19:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.0.132 with SMTP id 4ls1889058qee.56.gmail; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.149.33 with SMTP id w21mr3022510yhj.33.1354864769565; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.149.33 with SMTP id w21mr3022509yhj.33.1354864769554; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r10si476687ann.1.2012.12.06.23.19.29; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848E51E508 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 02:19:28 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why no "about" brivla? Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 02:19:31 -0500 Message-ID: <2552221.jSvQ0Pjpri@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-32-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <33272af0-7522-44d7-a040-e451bf851595@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1454 On Sunday, December 02, 2012 23:39:45 Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote: > I first thought that ckini had something to do with being related to > someone like fatherhood, brotherhood, auntness (?) etc. > Guess I was wrong then. So how do you say: "Are you related?" in lojban, = as > in relatives. Maybe something with lanzu? But family for my swedish ears = is > more like close relatives, your household or they who you share your life > with, not your cousins wife or something similar. I haven't been following this discussion, but I would use "ckini" for that.= =20 There are other ways things can be related. lo fraso cu ckini lo spano .enai lo .olkola French is related to Spanish but not to Olkola (an Australian Aboriginal=20 language closely related to Oykangand). la'edi'u ckini lo jdima be lo jungo tcati ma What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? (if we were talki= ng=20 about year-to-year variations in Asian rainfall, then it is indeed related.= ) Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.