Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:48353) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ThD8v-0001Fn-PT; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:40:13 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id xn12sf676448obc.16 for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:39:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Q4zqAoiOb7lWmok+aOxmkbYFWTyYqN5MOknBJNZZ1ek=; b=jryhCMtovhsnOL+Go4mICbo53dBOy1hpPCRkERa6kfyj8hCAf6Bt8rJ9/XGO/3JHM4 0xxvj+XEmy1K48ZMvKhOlHWOF39trI+TxYWhA60Uy3eYlitLoaYwaNH73qxbTdcv3yek e/frBfT34vu9j26ErgfXanz3W4YR44uWopNxWaLPiunDJmi/WdqqkJ6YoVaToeF6fLG0 x3sw7hSR6d3IbBqhCwLRX8o9mYZoRfE9vs9zCr0WNSSQvCMmuwHgJqtoena1hiu1LfHb oB1CfkxaSxqVS2iuYXJE+9Ya8HsPWDZ0TRvxBdIrYWy2Qkr9u/ZkbDO6/Nbba4bF76Vb qQaQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Q4zqAoiOb7lWmok+aOxmkbYFWTyYqN5MOknBJNZZ1ek=; b=uJgUfn18oE5K61MTsoCP6837K44ucorLlkewmAWuckblQexwR4ihP4e6OWN1Tavf0n PT22Ok4oVGIBeZRS8NFZxxqCnQQ5Y/PuGl7J8okUCmIMec5loU5pin5DvIF2K6Sf6A3r nFGiasPPJxjsGCcfwnKdh5ma1oP1CR2sSQdo/IDh5A3VR9+fU+mfUS2hXRpoIGW63MaY cPqR42+F26bpjvv+MRZamffA6q7iPWL+XmRi2AJMqCPDeavL32cveMvD7w1ycgDm/F8L VLyMojNTz6rtw3u/buhUrue8NpJ6bzxJz0FqMgWU16nqDkJtCk9OhPwQQxBhSzvz3F9J SVBg== Received: by 10.49.26.35 with SMTP id i3mr1853909qeg.31.1354945199021; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:39:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.108.168 with SMTP id hl8ls2688604qeb.76.gmail; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.24.164 with SMTP id v4mr1817632qef.6.1354945197579; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 21:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Cc: la gleki , bpfk-list@googlegroups.com, cowan@mercury.ccil.org Message-Id: <998450ae-4168-4aea-9fc6-ec695e7b7759@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20121208030421.GB3174@mercury.ccil.org> References: <95cdbee4-7ddc-4f7d-bb48-4591b7c3d915@googlegroups.com> <50C10003.1080806@lojban.org> <5406c1d2-ee78-4b41-ab68-06b7cf99dce7@googlegroups.com> <20121207165143.GE26753@mercury.ccil.org> <12451bd9-6861-4830-a8d0-c5c5f382fe2c@googlegroups.com> <20121208030421.GB3174@mercury.ccil.org> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [bpfk] polysemy of {nai} MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_120_9883433.1354945197059" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3699 ------=_Part_120_9883433.1354945197059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Saturday, December 8, 2012 7:04:21 AM UTC+4, John Cowan wrote: > > la gleki scripsit: > > > Then explain me how one {nai} can give birth both to round pegs and > square > > nails? > > As the Red Book explains in Section 15.7, the meaning of "nai" depends on > the selma'o of the word it is attached to. It is contradictory negation > (na) when attached to NU, A, GIhA, JA, GA, GUhA, GI, PU, FAhA, BAI. > It is scalar negation (na'e) when attached to JOI, BIhI, ROI, TAhE, ZAhO. > It is polar negation (to'e) when attached to COI, UI, CAI. When standing > alone as a text-0, it is vague in meaning (like English "No."). > Here we go again.... that what i started with.... > > -- > John Cowan co...@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan > It's the old, old story. Droid meets droid. Droid becomes chameleon. > Droid loses chameleon, chameleon becomes blob, droid gets blob back > again. It's a classic tale. --Kryten, Red Dwarf > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/K8WotHo8XxUJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_120_9883433.1354945197059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Saturday, December 8, 2012 7:04:21 AM UTC+4, John Cowan wrote:
la gleki scripsit:

> Then explain me how one {nai} can give birth both to round pegs and square
> nails?

As the Red Book explains in Section 15.7, the meaning of "nai" depends on
the selma'o of the word it is attached to.  It is contradictory negation
(na) when attached to NU, A, GIhA, JA, GA, GUhA, GI, PU, FAhA, BAI.
It is scalar negation (na'e) when attached to JOI, BIhI, ROI, TAhE, ZAhO.
It is polar negation (to'e) when attached to COI, UI, CAI.  When standing
alone as a text-0, it is vague in meaning (like English "No.").

Here we go again.... that what i started with....
 

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John Cowan  co...@ccil.org   http://ccil.org/~cowan
It's the old, old story.  Droid meets droid.  Droid becomes chameleon.
Droid loses chameleon, chameleon becomes blob, droid gets blob back
again.  It's a classic tale.  --Kryten, Red Dwarf

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