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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b60241684ae04cfd2df89 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 8388 --14dae93b60241684ae04cfd2df89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Annie wrote: > I don't understand. What's a cfika?his > http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/cfika > Sent from my iPod > > On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:17 AM, tijlan wrote: > >> On 1 December 2012 12:09, ianek wrote: >> > This is just what {se srana} or {selra'a} is. >> >> An about, a thematic focus, is more specific than that. cfika2, for >> instance, may be as much relevant to cfika1 as cfika3 may be -- a work >> of fiction cu srana both its plot and its author (and possibly many >> other things). Consider: >> >> la .alis. cfika sera'a lo nixli >> >> This doesn't necessarily say that the plot revolves around a girl -- >> it could as well be saying the work is dedicated to a girl. >> > > I'm sorry, I don't see how anything based on {srana} could possibly mean > "dedicated to". You'll have to explain. > > >> mu'o >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
I don't understand. What's a cfika?his
Sent from my iPod
<= br>On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:17 AM, tijlan <= jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 December 2012 12:09, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is just what {se srana} or {selra'a} is.

An about, a thematic focus, is more specific than that. cfika2, for instance, may be as much relevant to cfika1 as cfika3 may be -- a work
of fiction cu srana both its plot and its author (and possibly many
other things). Consider:

la .alis. cfika sera'a lo nixli

This doesn't necessarily say that the plot revolves around a girl -- it could as well be saying the work is dedicated to a girl.

I'm sorry, I don't see how anything based on {srana} coul= d possibly mean "dedicated to". You'll have to explain.
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mu'o

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