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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Annie wrote: > What are veljvo and rafci[sic]? > http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/veljvo : veljvo = ve lujvo - x4 is a metaphor with meaning x2 and arguments x3 for the compound predicate word x1(text). http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/rafsi : rafsi - x1 is an affix/suffix/prefix/combining-form for word/concept x2, form/properties x3, language x4. 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You can't have a fu'ivla and a gismu = as > >> a veljvo. > > > > Yes, you can. The PEG morphology gives every fu'ivla at least one rafsi= . > You can add 'y or remove the last vowel and replace it with y. The first > method always works, but the second one works too in this case. (That mea= ns > we could equally well say "braile'yle'u" instead") > > > >> braile: "x1 is a braille letter/symbol in braille alphabet/character-s= et > >> x2 representing x3" (I know it's almost the same as the one Pierre > >> suggested) > > > > It's very different. Pierre suggested "x1 is written in braile" not "x1 > is a letter of the braile alphabet". If braile is taken to mean the forme= r, > then a lujvo like brailyle'u will be needed to refer to the actual letter= s > of the braile alphabet. > > > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > > > -- > > pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo je nai zo lejbo > > > > do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u > > .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u > > ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu > > .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi > > gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi > > .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo da'i pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > > > > *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
What are veljvo and rafci[sic]?

http://v= lasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/veljvo : veljvo =3D ve lujvo - x4 is a metaphor with meaning x2 and arguments x3 for = the compound predicate word x1 (text).
http://vlasisku.lojba= n.org/vlasisku/rafsi : rafsi - x1 is an affix/suffix/prefix/= combining-form for word/concept x2, form/properties x3, language x4.
=C2=A0
What's a fu'ivlahisa
=

http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/fu%27ivla : fu'ivla =3D fu= kpi valsi - x1=3Dv1=3Df1 is a loanword mea= ning x2=3Dv2 in language x3=3Dv3, based on word x4=3Df2 in language x5. =C2=A0
Sent from my iPod

On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:40 AM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

> .i la jongausib cu cusku di'e
>> brailyle'u is not a valid lujvo. You can't have a fu'i= vla and a gismu as
>> a veljvo.
>
> Yes, you can. The PEG morphology gives every fu'ivla at least one = rafsi. You can add 'y or remove the last vowel and replace it with y. T= he first method always works, but the second one works too in this case. (T= hat means we could equally well say "braile'yle'u" instea= d")
>
>> braile: "x1 is a braille letter/symbol in braille alphabet/ch= aracter-set
>> x2 representing x3" (I know it's almost the same as the o= ne Pierre
>> suggested)
>
> It's very different. Pierre suggested "x1 is written in brail= e" not "x1 is a letter of the braile alphabet". If braile is= taken to mean the former, then a lujvo like brailyle'u will be needed = to refer to the actual letters of the braile alphabet.
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> --
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo je nai zo lejbo >
> do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u
> =C2=A0 .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u
> ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu
> =C2=A0 .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi
> gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
> =C2=A0 .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo da'i pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku
>
>
> .
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