Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:33977) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TewuB-0006xk-4v; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:55:39 -0800 Received: by mail-qc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id c11sf1553147qca.16 for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:55:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=G/7paW18LXlxlsjGwJYrL+orfvUHDjv/NEod0ke49+Y=; b=rnYCJ/JUMNMrFUja7BruLMvdZ1JfqY9ONOE/qx9xkERSrwPQBLCWwxev4HetUAOsq3 j7yg0Fn+lGMFAo+3szkXSe2hJLis6f+bRXiHI49kfPInbiDU+qy9/nNaraKihpIINY44 PMHSwhMHTCrPWm7IZxGfjsAge9OHlW8A33b7dq5JxJS9EBdrxNz7+iR672/2PrhQXCuY DbvKG1D9UaZvMffAlxfJaJzhZbT1Y6rRBNT8a/wlp2NmKFCBC5KZ+f2eIN0mScd+5IWM jnCY1yuT7tzes+2QceTxmhQQUp7HfnT6aIZ57qRy3568ckfJ5NNYkuBBz3160DEzhgug wk0A== Received: by 10.49.116.1 with SMTP id js1mr1436323qeb.19.1354406124530; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:55:24 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.120.129 with SMTP id lc1ls1143787qeb.79.gmail; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.138.165 with SMTP id a25mr3690769yhj.40.1354406123521; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.138.165 with SMTP id a25mr3690768yhj.40.1354406123511; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j36si322752anp.0.2012.12.01.15.55.23; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B77D21584 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 18:55:22 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] zo braile Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1823234.qgcYMaYQpT@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-32-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <1A410B81-C6A3-4DF8-A4AF-EDD43B679304@asb.gaggle.net> References: <1376458.ShreGqI8Iq@caracal> <1A410B81-C6A3-4DF8-A4AF-EDD43B679304@asb.gaggle.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1285 On Saturday, December 01, 2012 14:40:29 Annie wrote: > What are veljvo and rafci? A veljvo is the compound phrase that a compound word is made from. For instance, the veljvo of "larlermorna" is "larcu lerfu morna". In Lojban one would say "lu larcu lerfu morna li'u veljvo fo zo larlermorna", since "vel-" (which is the rafsi of "ve") switches x1 and x4. A rafsi is a combining form, also called a bound morpheme. "lar-" is a rafsi of "larcu". A fu'ivla is a borrowed word. Often "fu'ivla" is used to refer to the Lojban word forms used for borrowed words, even if the "word" being discussed (such as "agbagba", one of several wordoids made out of a few different letters) is meaningless. A word of fu'ivla form whose source is something other than a foreign language is called a zi'evla, e.g. "vonpaso", which is from Lojban number words. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.