On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Annie <par= k.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

What do you mean by "delineate"his

http://= en.wiktionary.org/wiki/delineate

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<= br>On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

Having the full stop or not makes a difference in th= e meaning ofthe wordhis

No, denpa bu h= as nothing to do with a word's meaning. It's use is purely grammatical, as = it serves to unambiguously delineate words.

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On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Michael Turni= ansky <mturni= ansky@gmail.com> wrote:

No, you mi= sunderstand. It's not "a word that has a full stop in it". It IS two = words. The fact that they are written together with a full stop doesn't cha= nge that fact. We can write "la djan. klama lo zarci mu'i lo nu vo'a = se jersi .ii" as "ladjan.klama lozarci mu'ilonuvo'asejersi.ii' and it's sti= ll completely unambiguous (although a pain for humans to read) with the ful= l stops indicating the one MUST pause there, otherwise it means something e= lse.

--gejyspa

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

Oo, I mean why don't = you take the full stop out and put the space? Besides, how do you pronounce= words that have a full stop in themhis When I try to pause within the word= , it sounds like there needs to be an apostrophe or something?

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On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:00 PM, = Jonathan Jones <e= yeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
Why would you want to elide two words together like that, when you can just= space between them?

Firstly, it's not eliding. Th= e pauses are required by the grammar of Lojban, and {na.e} takes one less c= haracter than {na .e}. Furthermore, not having the space serves to visually= group the words together, subtly signalling to readers that the two words = are linked. With {na.e}, for example, the {na} modifies the {.e}, and in fa= ct, the {na} makes no sense without the {.e}, and the {.e} means something = else entirely without the {na}.

A .e B =3D A and B: "1 .e 1" =3D 1
A na.e B =3D !A and B, (not A) an= d B: "1 na.e 1" =3D "0 .e 1" =3D 0
A .enai B =3D A and !B, A and (not B)= : "1 .enai 1" =3D "1 .e 0" =3D 0

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On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 13:18:39 Annie wrote:
>> All that makes since, the full stop separating one word from a wor= d that
>> begins a vowel and all. However, I've seen it in the middle of wor= ds
>> before. What's that for? Sent from my iPod
>
> It's actually separating two words, but they're written run together. = For
> example:
>
> la .kot.divu=E1r. na.e la .pyd. xazdo
> C=F4te d'Ivoire not-and Tibet Asian
> C=F4te d'Ivoire is not Asian, but Tibet is.
>
> "kot.divuar" is two words, but a single name. "na.e" is two words, but= a
> single conjunction, and the second word begins with a vowel. ("naje" i= s also
> two words, and logically the same conjunction, but it connects a diffe= rent kind
> of phrase.)
>
> ta'e la .kot.divu=E1r. du la xantyde'i xaskoi
>
> Pierre
> --
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> li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci
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