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On Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:30:39 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:17 AM, tijlan <jbot...@gmail.com <javascript:>>wrote:
>
>> On 1 December 2012 12:09, ianek <jan...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>> > This is just what {se srana} or {selra'a} is.
>>
>> An about, a thematic focus, is more specific than that. cfika2, for
>> instance, may be as much relevant to cfika1 as cfika3 may be -- a work
>> of fiction cu srana both its plot and its author (and possibly many
>> other things). Consider:
>>
>> la .alis. cfika sera'a lo nixli
>>
>> This doesn't necessarily say that the plot revolves around a girl --
>> it could as well be saying the work is dedicated to a girl.
>>
>
> I'm sorry, I don't see how anything based on {srana} could possibly mean 
> "dedicated to". You'll have to explain.
>

Well, may be it's not that something is wrong with {sera'a/pe/srana} but 
rather wrong usage and/or glossing.

*srana x1 pertains to/is germane/relevant to/concerns/is related/associated 
with/is about x2.*
*ckini  x1 is related to/associated with/akin to x2 by relationship x3.*

If we arbitrarily chose parts of those definitions we'd get
*  srana x1 is relevant to x2
  ckini  x1 is relevant to x2
*
which is nonsense.

If {srana} really gives us thematic role then all the other "is relevant 
to" meanings can be assigned to {ckini/seki'i}.


 
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<br><br>On Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:30:39 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec=
 1, 2012 at 6:17 AM, tijlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" t=
arget=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"uNcfyEZkvR0J">jbot...@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On 1 December 2012 12:09, ianek &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"=
_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"uNcfyEZkvR0J">jan...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br>
&gt; This is just what {se srana} or {selra'a} is.<br>
<br>
</div>An about, a thematic focus, is more specific than that. cfika2, for<b=
r>
instance, may be as much relevant to cfika1 as cfika3 may be -- a work<br>
of fiction cu srana both its plot and its author (and possibly many<br>
other things). Consider:<br>
<br>
la .alis. cfika sera'a lo nixli<br>
<br>
This doesn't necessarily say that the plot revolves around a girl --<br>
it could as well be saying the work is dedicated to a girl.<br></blockquote=
><div><br>I'm sorry, I don't see how anything based on {srana} could possib=
ly mean "dedicated to". You'll have to explain.<br></div></div></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>Well, may be it's not that something is wrong with {se=
ra'a/pe/srana} but rather wrong usage and/or glossing.</div><div><br></div>=
<div><i>srana&nbsp;x1 pertains to/is germane/relevant to/concerns/is relate=
d/associated with<b>/is about x2</b>.</i></div><div><i>ckini &nbsp;x1 is re=
lated to/associated with/akin to x2 by relationship x3.</i></div><div><br><=
/div><div>If we arbitrarily chose parts of those definitions we'd get<br><i=
>&nbsp; srana x1 is relevant to x2<br>&nbsp; ckini &nbsp;x1 is relevant to =
x2<br></i></div><div>which is nonsense.</div><div><br></div><div>If {srana}=
 really gives us thematic role then all the other "is relevant to" meanings=
 can be assigned to {ckini/seki'i}.</div><div><br><br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>
&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

mu'o<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu'o mi'e .=
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