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On Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:52:54 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com<javascript:>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:30:39 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:17 AM, tijlan <jbot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1 December 2012 12:09, ianek <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > This is just what {se srana} or {selra'a} is.
>>>>>
>>>>> An about, a thematic focus, is more specific than that. cfika2, for
>>>>> instance, may be as much relevant to cfika1 as cfika3 may be -- a work
>>>>> of fiction cu srana both its plot and its author (and possibly many
>>>>> other things). Consider:
>>>>>
>>>>> la .alis. cfika sera'a lo nixli
>>>>>
>>>>> This doesn't necessarily say that the plot revolves around a girl --
>>>>> it could as well be saying the work is dedicated to a girl.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, I don't see how anything based on {srana} could possibly 
>>>> mean "dedicated to". You'll have to explain.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, may be it's not that something is wrong with {sera'a/pe/srana} but 
>>> rather wrong usage and/or glossing.
>>>
>>> *srana x1 pertains to/is germane/relevant to/concerns/is 
>>> related/associated with/is about x2.*
>>> *ckini  x1 is related to/associated with/akin to x2 by relationship x3.*
>>>
>>> If we arbitrarily chose parts of those definitions we'd get
>>> *  srana x1 is relevant to x2
>>>   ckini  x1 is relevant to x2
>>> *
>>> which is nonsense.
>>>
>>
>> ckini wouldn't be that. For one thing, you left out the x3, and for 
>> another, it isn't "relevant", it's "related". The Cold War isn't relevant 
>> to WWII, but it is related (by being a direct result of it).
>>  
>>
>>> If {srana} really gives us thematic role then all the other "is relevant 
>>> to" meanings can be assigned to {ckini/seki'i}.
>>>
>>
> Furthermore, your response does not show how one can get "dedicated to" 
> out of srana.
>

I can't explain tijlan's views.
For me "dedicated to..." is {tecu'u}, may be with a shade of {sinma} (i.e. 
fi'o sia'rtersku)
{finfriti} from jvs doesn't sound right for me (probably due to polysemy of 
"to dedicqte").



> -- 
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>

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<br><br>On Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:52:54 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, De=
c 1, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"java=
script:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"LsIcXUurI-4J">eye...@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, la gleki <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscat=
ed-mailto=3D"LsIcXUurI-4J">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

On Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:30:39 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6=
:17 AM, tijlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>jbot...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<div>

<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On 1 December 2012 12:09, ianek &lt;<a>jan...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>
&gt; This is just what {se srana} or {selra'a} is.<br>
<br>
</div>An about, a thematic focus, is more specific than that. cfika2, for<b=
r>
instance, may be as much relevant to cfika1 as cfika3 may be -- a work<br>
of fiction cu srana both its plot and its author (and possibly many<br>
other things). Consider:<br>
<br>
la .alis. cfika sera'a lo nixli<br>
<br>
This doesn't necessarily say that the plot revolves around a girl --<br>
it could as well be saying the work is dedicated to a girl.<br></blockquote=
><div><br>I'm sorry, I don't see how anything based on {srana} could possib=
ly mean "dedicated to". You'll have to explain.<br>

</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, may be it's not th=
at something is wrong with {sera'a/pe/srana} but rather wrong usage and/or =
glossing.</div><div><br></div><div><i>srana&nbsp;x1 pertains to/is germane/=
relevant to/concerns/is related/associated with<b>/is about x2</b>.</i></di=
v>

<div><i>ckini &nbsp;x1 is related to/associated with/akin to x2 by relation=
ship x3.</i></div><div><br></div><div>If we arbitrarily chose parts of thos=
e definitions we'd get<br><i>&nbsp; srana x1 is relevant to x2<br>&nbsp; ck=
ini &nbsp;x1 is relevant to x2<br>

</i></div><div>which is nonsense.</div></blockquote></div><div><br>ckini wo=
uldn't be that. For one thing, you left out the x3, and for another, it isn=
't "relevant", it's "related". The Cold War isn't relevant to WWII, but it =
is related (by being a direct result of it).<br>

&nbsp;</div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div></div><div>If {srana} =
really gives us thematic role then all the other "is relevant to" meanings =
can be assigned to {ckini/seki'i}.</div>
</blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div>Furthermore, you=
r response does not show how one can get "dedicated to" out of srana.<br></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div>I can't explain tijlan's views.</div><div>Fo=
r me "dedicated to..." is {tecu'u}, may be with a shade of {sinma} (i.e. fi=
'o sia'rtersku)</div><div>{finfriti} from jvs doesn't sound right for me (p=
robably due to polysemy of "to dedicqte").</div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br>-- <br>mu'o mi'e .aiony=
s.<br><br>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do z=
o'o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>
</blockquote>

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