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> Doesn't matter which, but should be a Lojban word, wich "cmy" isn't.

> I saw "la'o zoi. Galileo Galilei zoi.", in which "zoi" is used correctly,
as the terminator. "la'o" and "zoi" are in the same selma'o' and it's not
uncommon to use "zoi" as the terminator.

This is why I shouldn't try to contribute before fully waking up.

Sorry for any confusion that may have resulted.


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Monday, December 10, 2012 11:05:42 .arpis. wrote:
> > The first thing I noticed is that you used {zoi} incorrectly: you need a
> > word to serve as the terminator (any word; it doesn't matter which); for
> > example, {zoy cmy Galileo Galilei cmy}.
>
> I saw "la'o zoi. Galileo Galilei zoi.", in which "zoi" is used correctly,
> as
> the terminator. "la'o" and "zoi" are in the same selma'o' and it's not
> uncommon to use "zoi" as the terminator.
>
> The dates, though, I'd write the other way around, if they're all numbers.
> Numbers connected with "pi'e" should be ordered most significant first, if
> one
> is more significant than another; also this agrees with the ISO format. ISO
> 8601 was apparently issued shortly after the fork of Lojban, so I don't
> blame
> Bob or John for not knowing about it; but it's now in common use on
> international Web pages, including Wikipedia. The order is day-month-year
> when
> the month is spelled out: le 8moi be le .ianvari be le 1642moi.
>
> The veldetri should be given; the change from Julian to Gregorian started
> during his lifetime. See https://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/latmo_veldetri .
>
> "mivcitri" needs an interfix. I'd leave the apostrophes out of his name.
>
> At first I thought you meant Galilee in Israel (the end of the subject line
> didn't appear until I clicked on the message). :)
>
> Pierre
> --
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&gt; Doesn&#39;t matter which, but should be a Lojban word, wich &quot;cmy&=
quot; isn&#39;t.<br><br>&gt; I saw &quot;la&#39;o zoi. Galileo Galilei zoi.=
&quot;, in which &quot;zoi&quot; is used correctly, as the terminator. &quo=
t;la&#39;o&quot; and &quot;zoi&quot; are in the same selma&#39;o&#39; and i=
t&#39;s not uncommon to use &quot;zoi&quot; as the terminator.<br>

<br>This is why I shouldn&#39;t try to contribute before fully waking up.<b=
r><br>Sorry for any confusion that may have resulted.<br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:39 P=
M, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" =
target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Monday, December 10, 20=
12 11:05:42 .arpis. wrote:<br>
&gt; The first thing I noticed is that you used {zoi} incorrectly: you need=
 a<br>
&gt; word to serve as the terminator (any word; it doesn&#39;t matter which=
); for<br>
&gt; example, {zoy cmy Galileo Galilei cmy}.<br>
<br>
</div>I saw &quot;la&#39;o zoi. Galileo Galilei zoi.&quot;, in which &quot;=
zoi&quot; is used correctly, as<br>
the terminator. &quot;la&#39;o&quot; and &quot;zoi&quot; are in the same se=
lma&#39;o&#39; and it&#39;s not<br>
uncommon to use &quot;zoi&quot; as the terminator.<br>
<br>
The dates, though, I&#39;d write the other way around, if they&#39;re all n=
umbers.<br>
Numbers connected with &quot;pi&#39;e&quot; should be ordered most signific=
ant first, if one<br>
is more significant than another; also this agrees with the ISO format. ISO=
<br>
8601 was apparently issued shortly after the fork of Lojban, so I don&#39;t=
 blame<br>
Bob or John for not knowing about it; but it&#39;s now in common use on<br>
international Web pages, including Wikipedia. The order is day-month-year w=
hen<br>
the month is spelled out: le 8moi be le .ianvari be le 1642moi.<br>
<br>
The veldetri should be given; the change from Julian to Gregorian started<b=
r>
during his lifetime. See <a href=3D"https://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/latmo_ve=
ldetri" target=3D"_blank">https://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/latmo_veldetri</a>=
 .<br>
<br>
&quot;mivcitri&quot; needs an interfix. I&#39;d leave the apostrophes out o=
f his name.<br>
<br>
At first I thought you meant Galilee in Israel (the end of the subject line=
<br>
didn&#39;t appear until I clicked on the message). :)<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
--<br>
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es.<br>
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