Received: from mail-vc0-f186.google.com ([209.85.220.186]:56338) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TiX3P-0004A0-NE; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:59 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f186.google.com with SMTP id fl17sf3067643vcb.13 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qEjyJSBxzZzF0gCEg5s8t/aWbDnc4yRkHONS8s2UeUY=; b=FEpAFBE7eGWwO0zyOo2MZFyYB59O0+vjB0Whmb9zM2j+znoHFWFMy9G9QATO/uAvmQ 5AewDVbr+3V9KGFMqFpwcizx5SoJoHjJbrElyscv57Q8Plg6OuG3YDO7TYAXJi5RjD9u XSZ9qn5eh3IYAy+I2CoaUp9b6kIPs2sFR7AtGi2BY0yZg+GyPr01iUTskzOE1eeda10g oxdtLy7U3pFC9W8MSMXQGHKuOcnUEvquMs7O7vGlygEcRx3fnyp7qcbL6CddZKkDzqFC daS1zz/3rcR/Rk2y81PpUJk9w5mXFuVW/4wpxQloXaTuKmwzOQ33NGXTvNJq1EbjrIJw mBDw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qEjyJSBxzZzF0gCEg5s8t/aWbDnc4yRkHONS8s2UeUY=; b=zUDqRFsrjUYk6PUyGDKBnEC9uzdx9iJeEaCiJg0Z+6K2tyX/qbVsCfhdJXPxO0khWv dujSl19OerzL7vZy9CWiJVH43W0HB9b6LIzH+3eAbn2g46pcXJKCPmRYSmGMjUdqdAdA p+2gqVmYGj7chHy83tVTwCFxFwLUsC9DHSNb/CZBQNDbnq8Y5I+ljvCON5jgVhZL1XMX +GDg7IESk3iqv/e7hvUWSFyXvmo9Coo6tqGLoftREfsG8+UXUOuTE+uZisL6iOuEyuJz 1deZbmseTW0UNsLImK930jd8YNZwcquoib9bBx+xeJG+sQD3U+d8bkGJATp8engozP+g 8gaQ== Received: by 10.50.151.175 with SMTP id ur15mr4587120igb.0.1355260064891; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.222.129 with SMTP id qm1ls827808igc.28.gmail; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.165.132 with SMTP id k4mr14043633icy.18.1355260064073; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.165.132 with SMTP id k4mr14043632icy.18.1355260064037; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5si18539iga.1.2012.12.11.13.07.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.44; Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id n5so4574310oag.31 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.192.100 with SMTP id hf4mr9868590obc.39.1355260063700; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.172.52 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:07:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <28196B0D-8424-4691-BE67-26CF57B9B4E4@asb.gaggle.net> References: <95cdbee4-7ddc-4f7d-bb48-4591b7c3d915@googlegroups.com> <50C10003.1080806@lojban.org> <5406c1d2-ee78-4b41-ab68-06b7cf99dce7@googlegroups.com> <20121207165143.GE26753@mercury.ccil.org> <12451bd9-6861-4830-a8d0-c5c5f382fe2c@googlegroups.com> <20121208030421.GB3174@mercury.ccil.org> <998450ae-4168-4aea-9fc6-ec695e7b7759@googlegroups.com> <28196B0D-8424-4691-BE67-26CF57B9B4E4@asb.gaggle.net> From: Luke Bergen Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:07:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: [bpfk] polysemy of {nai} To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399dbdacd7b204d09a12ce X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 12950 --14dae9399dbdacd7b204d09a12ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Which passage in chapter 5 gave that impression? From what I understand, the bridi can be thought of as the whole sentence. The selbri is the relationship word that pulls the whole thing together, and the terbri, which are often sumti, are the places. "sentence" isn't quite the right word, actually, since you can have bridi nested within a sentence e.g. "lo gerku ku nelci lo nu pinxe lo djacu". I would say that the whole thing is a "sentence". The whole thing is also a "bridi". "pinxe lo djacu" is *also* a bridi. And "lo gerku", "lo nu pinxe lo djacu", and "lo djacu" are all sumti as well as terbri. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Annie wrote: > oh wow. what other dames do you have for that book? speaking of cll, it > looks to me, from chapter 5, that a bridi is a sentence without the selbri. > am i understanding this correctly because if so, why would you want to use > a bunch of sumti without a selbri? the sentence wouldn't make s5se, it > seems. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > Sorry... I just think it's cool that it has a whole bunch of names and > well, we're also known for giving long-winded answers for no real reason, > haha. > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > On 11 December 2012 13:29, Annie wrote: > >> You could have just said "CLL". >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: >> >> It's one of the CLL's many names. >> * The Complete Lojban Language >> * The Red Book >> * The Codex Woldemar >> * The Book >> >> It's the language's complete grammar description. Orika Okrent, who wrote >> "In the Land of Invented Languages" says that the CLL is one of the most >> complete grammatical descriptions of any constructed language. Calling it >> "The Red Book" stems from the colour of the cover, whereas "The Codex >> Woldemar" which is just an overly fancy way of referring to it, comes from >> its author's name, John Woldemar Cowan. >> >> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >> >> On 11 December 2012 10:39, Annie wrote: >> >>> >>> what is the red book? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --14dae9399dbdacd7b204d09a12ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which passage in chapter 5 gave that impression? =A0From what I understand,= the bridi can be thought of as the whole sentence. =A0The selbri is the re= lationship word that pulls the whole thing together, and the terbri, which = are often sumti, are the places.

"sentence" isn't quite the right word, actuall= y, since you can have bridi nested within a sentence e.g. =A0"lo gerku= ku nelci lo nu pinxe lo djacu". =A0I would say that the whole thing i= s a "sentence". =A0The whole thing is also a "bridi". = =A0"pinxe lo djacu" is also=A0a bridi. =A0And "lo ger= ku", "lo nu pinxe lo djacu", and "lo djacu" are al= l sumti as well as terbri.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
oh wow. what other dames do you have for that book? = speaking of cll, it looks to me, from chapter 5, that a bridi is a sentence= without the selbri. am i understanding this correctly because if so, why w= ould you want to use a bunch of sumti without a selbri? the sentence wouldn= 't make s5se, it seems.

Sent from my iPod

On Dec 11, 2012,= at 2:03 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry... I just think it's cool that it has a whole bunch of names= and well, we're also known for giving long-winded answers for no real = reason, haha.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 11 December 2012 13:29, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>= ; wrote:
You could have just said "CLL".

Sen= t from my iPod

On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Jacob = Errington <nicty= tan@gmail.com> wrote:

It's one of the CLL's many= names.
* The Complete Lojban Language
* The Red Book
* The Codex Woldemar
* The Book

It= 9;s the language's complete grammar description. Orika Okrent, who wrot= e "In the Land of Invented Languages" says that the CLL is one of= the most complete grammatical descriptions of any constructed language. Ca= lling it "The Red Book" stems from the colour of the cover, where= as "The Codex Woldemar" which is just an overly fancy way of refe= rring to it, comes from its author's name, John Woldemar Cowan.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 11 December 2012 10:39, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.n= et> wrote:
=
what is the red book?





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