So, a sentence = is really just a bunch of words grouped together. In fact, I'm not 10= 0% sure that the CLL goes into long depths to define a sentence (thought it= 's been a while since I've read through it).

Think of a bridi as being a specialized verb + some nouns to giv= e more information about that verb. So in the same way that in englis= h you can have a sentence with many clauses, in lojban you can have sub-bri= di and such in a sentence.

Maybe this= will clarify. The definition of "bridi" is:

x1 (text) is a predicate relationship with relation x2 among arguments (seq= uence/set) x3.

So, when someone talks about= a "bridi" they're talking about this relationship. In a bridi the "s= elbri" (the x2 of the above definition) is the relationship word, the "terb= ri" (x3 of the above definition) are the noun-like things that act as param= eters to the relation.

e.g. Take the english sentence "Rex= likes when Paul pets him". If I were trying to describe this using l= ojban grammer I would describe "Paul pets him" as a bridi, because it's the= selbri "pet", with two arguments "Paul", and "him". I would also des= cribe the whole thing as a bridi whose selbri is "likes" and whose terbri (= arguments) are "Rex" and "when Paul pets him" (since this is an event, it c= an be thought of as a single noun-like-thing that's attached to "like").

Not sure what is meant by "predication", I'd need = to see it in context.

Sorry, that got a little lon= g winded.

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:30 = PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

It's the first senten= ce, but maybe I misunderstood. what's a terbri, and how can you identify a = bridi if it's not a sentence? what is predication? i thought that it would = be stating the predicut, what the subject is, or does.

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On Dec 11, 2012,= at 3:07 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Which passage in chapter 5 gave that impression? From what I und= erstand, the bridi can be thought of as the whole sentence. The selbr= i is the relationship word that pulls the whole thing together, and the ter= bri, which are often sumti, are the places.

"sentence" isn't quite the right word, actually, since you c= an have bridi nested within a sentence e.g. "lo gerku ku nelci lo nu = pinxe lo djacu". I would say that the whole thing is a "sentence". &n= bsp;The whole thing is also a "bridi". "pinxe lo djacu" is also a bridi. And "lo gerku", "lo nu pinxe lo djacu", and "lo djacu= " are all sumti as well as terbri.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

oh wow. what other dames do you have for that book? = speaking of cll, it looks to me, from chapter 5, that a bridi is a sentence= without the selbri. am i understanding this correctly because if so, why w= ould you want to use a bunch of sumti without a selbri? the sentence wouldn= 't make s5se, it seems.

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On Dec 11, 2012, at 2:03 PM, = Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry... I just think it's cool that it has a whole bunch of names and= well, we're also known for giving long-winded answers for no real reason, = haha.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 11 December 2012 13:29, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>= ; wrote:

You could have just said "CLL".

Sent from my = iPod

On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Jacob Errington = <nictytan@gmail.= com> wrote:

It's one of the CLL's many names.<= div>* The Complete Lojban Language
* The Red Book
* The= Codex Woldemar
* The Book

It's the lang= uage's complete grammar description. Orika Okrent, who wrote "In the Land o= f Invented Languages" says that the CLL is one of the most complete grammat= ical descriptions of any constructed language. Calling it "The Red Book" st= ems from the colour of the cover, whereas "The Codex Woldemar" which is jus= t an overly fancy way of referring to it, comes from its author's name, Joh= n Woldemar Cowan.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 11 December 2012 10:39, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net&g= t; wrote:

=
what is the red book?

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