Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:42862) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tiy9s-0005Gv-OY; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:04:25 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f189.google.com with SMTP id f16sf839402ghb.16 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:04:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=e17zUVHTq7ARdvPsYWt6+oxlWczfcsWjNOrWWo6B6ZI=; b=x0jlHZhD7FQseKMxTH4sBLDvNGoEj69iz5LGZuQ8Npbj5xbr0WSjXcwXOwcNr81iMD +fFOFXIKfpEZ4iuTkHSFuv4/jyntnjpajqVpOS09+Snn1diVjJPQ5RBp6vh9Y+ya1dZ7 wv/vah79o5eWOIerqYKJB6TqRQEu2yLP2jNHjPuzlkbnIMmTVATTqJtE+lE2XB8bVMUd 1lSLhwMk8BIyuonJE0laGNAuBCIoTvkWvEcpK/Oc3z0M3DCk+83K1yIMN0uJ5HeTW7hZ 6Jnssqj40hn6Dwn/V/Va7ITxEpZXtW+KCy95ihywCORvXU9tkZ5DPqXFgCK4rBRLH0lR e7xw== Received: by 10.49.94.143 with SMTP id dc15mr26208qeb.32.1355364254135; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:04:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.0.176 with SMTP id 16ls220488qef.41.gmail; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.5.33 with SMTP id h33mr22511ani.24.1355364252804; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.5.33 with SMTP id h33mr22510ani.24.1355364252789; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i63si6651yhk.5.2012.12.12.18.04.12; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F6C2E30 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:04:12 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: [bpfk] polysemy of {nai} Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <2048234.61bFBytJNO@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-34-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <95cdbee4-7ddc-4f7d-bb48-4591b7c3d915@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1112 On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 19:50:29 Annie wrote: > what do you mean by a predicate relation? is that basically the subject, or > is the subject one of the arguments? The subject is one of the arguments. In English, and accusative languages in general, the subject is the first argument, the direct object is the second, and the indirect object is the third (even though it precedes the direct object in the sentence). There is at least one four-argument verb in English. Other arguments can be added with prepositions, which are selma'o BAI in Lojban. Lojban also has the jai ... fai method of adding an argument, which has no equivalent in English. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.