Received: from mail-ye0-f192.google.com ([209.85.213.192]:40307) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ToY9P-0001iY-3c; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:30:59 -0800 Received: by mail-ye0-f192.google.com with SMTP id l2sf4195504yen.19 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:30:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:from:to :subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JOdQrhyNAjOdkpncC+NIhlffisgC4queVULCE23Yb3E=; b=XKGtteei1PbR0pp72znMqK/3MOhqE1WOEHxckqM+0RgYz7Fk6pSTdeEJ/EEcoq3h/S iFR5tK1zOLYYYL3CCz661QW9TN2089SFMPdmp+rvdrhFuGTQo51oT41Q02JS3WYc2G8X NbGj+HT3PRPS6+8VodtJzReMs6y0HryqT5ovdrhhbwKOsBiW3/771MO4J7WMpON9wGNz QrnOSUQG5KL+Rc1jx7s52jLgi7fPCxufQ/VDXMerd39QSVWoZo1HaE0esiSIIVu0hKaD dpu5AAinCpxxPr8QWTSocXbVJcGJx4h8dXggylq/evp7bjD9sIK3pNxUyDQdPuMd/Qgf gaqA== X-Received: by 10.49.116.115 with SMTP id jv19mr5073425qeb.21.1356694248483; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.39.231 with SMTP id s7ls4092849qek.47.gmail; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:30:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.2.3 with SMTP id e3mr4067201ani.3.1356694247392; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:30:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.2.3 with SMTP id e3mr4067200ani.3.1356694247370; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p19si2670052yhi.1.2012.12.28.03.30.47; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B361D289 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 06:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] APE (Audience Participation Exercise): Lojbanic words of wisdom Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 06:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: <2243792.V2PzVKT9Y8@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-34-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <1899813.3iOHm6RgLf@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1290 On Friday, December 28, 2012 03:22:08 Jacob Errington wrote: > That's correct, but in your original sentence, {lo ponse be lo mruli po'o} > means "one who has something that is only a hammer" rather than "one who > has only a hammer", which is reflected in the Lojban be the presence, or > absence in this case, of {ku}. The difference arises from the fact that > po'o is attaching to the selbri of the description sumti instead of the > actual sumti itself. > > In other words, {.i lo nanmu po'o cu kakne} and {.i lo nanmu ku po'o kakne} > have (very) different meanings. In the former, "Things that are only men > are able", whereas in the latter "Only the men are able." In the former, > it's the selbri {nanmu} that is the only relevant selbri, whereas in the > latter, it's the sumti {lo nanmu} that is the only relevant sumti. je'e .i mi drastika Got it. I have corrected. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.