On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:= 11 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote= :

What would the difference i= n meaning be between {lo nanmu ku po'o} and {lo po'o nanmu}, if any= ?

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Jacob Errington <nictyt= an@gmail.com> wrote:

On 27 December 2012 23:44, Pierre Abbat= <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 20:49:42 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 27, 2012 20:52:16 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > > ko nelci lo nalci gi'e na kelci lo kalci
> >
> > .i'e .i mi ba cusku di'u ca le nu mi se panzi gi'e po= nse lo fi'orxruki
> >
> > A couple I have in my sig file are "veka'a ro klaji la .= romas. se jmaji",
> > which
> > hasn't been true for many centuries (Maya sacbeob don't g= o anywhere near
> > Rome),
>
> Yes, none of the roads where I live go lead there. Maya sacbeob?

A sacbe (saq b'eey "white road" in Tz'utujil, sak b= 'eej in Yucatec) is a
Mesoamerican highway.

> > and "loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji". Then there'= ;s the one in this
> > email's sig.
>
> Is that a Noah reference?

No. Birds of a feather flock together; qui se ressemble s'assembl= e.

> > =A0Pierre
> >
> > --
> > lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko
>
> Sorry, is it the hammer that's unique, or the person-with-a-hammer= ?

He has only a hammer. If it were "only a person with a hammer&qu= ot;, it would be
"lo ponse be lo mruli be'o po'o".

That's correct, but in your original = sentence, {lo ponse be lo mruli po'o} means "one who has something= that is only a hammer" rather than "one who has only a hammer&qu= ot;, which is reflected in the Lojban be the presence, or absence in this c= ase, of {ku}. The difference arises from the fact that po'o is attachin= g to the selbri of the description sumti instead of the actual sumti itself= .=A0

In other words,=A0{.i lo nanmu po'o cu kakne} and {= .i lo nanmu ku po'o kakne} have (very) different meanings. In the forme= r, "Things that are only men are able", whereas in the latter &qu= ot;Only the men are able." In the former, it's the selbri {nanmu} = that is the only relevant selbri, whereas in the latter, it's the sumti= {lo nanmu} that is the only relevant sumti.

=A0
.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The owner of only a hammer perceives everything to have nailness.
To him who has only a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji

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