Received: from mail-yh0-f59.google.com ([209.85.213.59]:62432) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqNvm-0006IU-9Q; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:00:32 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f59.google.com with SMTP id f11sf1526964yha.4 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:00:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=syda8dKri5ehSM5uoH0nyNrp3UShGcrE7Bgu72ZyPhQ=; b=TscZLtMZmCiDIDdk98C4QOAKpkKbW58XMWyYud90iCfyZISBQkNyFlTV7O0Hs2R7Q/ woKi2mjbeSUAo5ORki362R8ag2xDPVRiB+bviqqWofvJOkUJQQRfpApIsn76KJ27KII/ nlV74M/w/4jF2sT7pv8mpyi55IEW7QPiINz5T94Ohw37hmfAvvK7wlp0FgYho2EnEVy2 1xd/6VVkM70CZ9czo4kH1AzG2fjeHMxUVJWUV3MWTZ5s8e4MUWIBq4Vc0LqjsoVNNz4G 0W8tpz88TjSdSazmP16aQEXD90K0/ToERU9JCY0rkgCmb/yYelo/XaoqO8wKFsIpV/gi hp6A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=syda8dKri5ehSM5uoH0nyNrp3UShGcrE7Bgu72ZyPhQ=; b=ymlF2LZCQHDLpG2f0yZvHIEyasO3M3quJbw+Qi3NnJvwsECA4X36z/2/n1+s8qqLBB xHQZOBqx+C+eJuqfkNR3ZB1o7eLEO334J8VUyPYDQPlKM2pzllr790WjnhUGXl0HnN40 GHn4LiMQPSS02BXJ+MYzTwP8MvvwxLItiYlNKvv/9FQZxXzGfs7N+lPL6kVNfwu65rxx dLe3m4YvPMJXI3ycEIBl7N6KSWSturHDfSXr7vnsaaBmWttJMJtVlRteL8G3Z49EsAeM S4ZsAJCUI87FQPuV1tUpztUJYQ0Ij20klz9+cDSWY5vmpaBSvdB+4oTsByvykF9AbLIl LiTw== X-Received: by 10.49.95.68 with SMTP id di4mr6976269qeb.0.1357131619967; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.0.165 with SMTP id 5ls6167334qef.46.gmail; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.36.7 with SMTP id m7mr19895263vdj.3.1357131619432; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.36.7 with SMTP id m7mr19895262vdj.3.1357131619415; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h20si14405412vdg.3.2013.01.02.05.00.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.49; Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id r6so13988786vbi.22 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.22.107 with SMTP id c11mr62209035vdf.73.1357131619311; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.13.197 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:00:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307c9eaa15202f04d24dd459 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 6051 --20cf307c9eaa15202f04d24dd459 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, there are several problems here. {remna} and {mleca} are not separated by anything, which means they form a single weird selbri "human-kind-of-less-than". The {ckaji} are not desirable, but doing this with {ka} in general will be tricky, because of the issue of being important to what exactly; you need the event to be "complete" for it to make sense for it to be important. There's a more fundamental problem with not closing {ka vrude}; what you seem to have wanted to do (which still isn't really right) is lo ka remna cu mleca lo ka vrude kei lo ka vajni, the {kei} being important there. Also note that I used lo here; I suggest you look into "xorlo" (http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo). At its most basic level xorlo is a change to the language (the largest one to date, hopefully the largest one forever) which makes "lo" the default article. Anyway, if I had to say this I'd have said {lo nu remna cu mleca lo nu vrude kei lo ni ce'u vajni}. But in light of some rather fundamental grammatical mistakes here, I'd suggest you back off a little, practicing a bit with simpler sentences instead. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Arets Paeglis wrote: > Would this be a correct translation of the phrase "Being human is less > important than being humane": ".le se ckaji le ka remna mleca le se ckaji > le ka vrude ka vajni" (which should translate to *the-property-of-being-a-human > is-lesser-than the-property-of-being-virtuous/compassionate > in-terms-of-importance*)? > > -- > http://about.me/mindbound > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf307c9eaa15202f04d24dd459 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, there are several problems here. {remna} and {mleca} are not separated = by anything, which means they form a single weird selbri "human-kind-o= f-less-than". The {ckaji} are not desirable, but doing this with {ka} = in general will be tricky, because of the issue of being important to what = exactly; you need the event to be "complete" for it to make sense= for it to be important. There's a more fundamental problem with not cl= osing {ka vrude}; what you seem to have wanted to do (which still isn't= really right) is lo ka remna cu mleca lo ka vrude kei lo ka vajni, the {ke= i} being important there. Also note that I used lo here; I suggest you look= into "xorlo" (http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo). At its most basic l= evel xorlo is a change to the language (the largest one to date, hopefully = the largest one forever) which makes "lo" the default article.
Anyway, if I had to say this I'd have said {lo nu remna cu mleca lo= nu vrude kei lo ni ce'u vajni}. But in light of some rather fundamenta= l grammatical mistakes here, I'd suggest you back off a little, practic= ing a bit with simpler sentences instead.

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On W= ed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Arets Paeglis <astronfo@gmail.com> wrote:
Would this be a correct tra= nslation of the phrase "Being human is less important than being human= e": ".le se ckaji le ka remna mleca le se ckaji le ka vrude ka va= jni" (which should translate to=A0the-property-of-being-a-human is-= lesser-than the-property-of-being-virtuous/compassionate in-terms-of-import= ance)?

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