Received: from mail-ye0-f184.google.com ([209.85.213.184]:45391) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqXD1-0002Sz-9b; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:54:59 -0800 Received: by mail-ye0-f184.google.com with SMTP id r12sf8867844yen.11 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:54:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=nF3MwycDXPE5evJR81f7Rtho+9J0X6zhN3wD0BQpWBc=; b=JCJkAnfloxyj/LRYwllQviKfZxR73MVh/CM4mkir1ERfZGE04giQ9sjn93ZBdB0/uP fllnLNGy2mrX6IznKIVHMidX5DWg1Vf7kCm3n5Al3ZgjtWcUX+xfk4SkBIULQwKwJxA6 dq6sGUre9OOGi7HBzxut31l+huwjcEyPIX41RM0T7AebgxP1EiGgf3/uthrNcrw9knql 6a0hi3R1pvT/+j1ajMOLiUkgJNwIF+mfQIY0bSXaVe4OST2lvDjORTxdzwb54jyI+TM+ cXxTJ04EFXPLbvf2zgyG4p8XCXdort8hMz3C1C98OQHieHKiyRsv1HOMjS1IEI/c2DrV qzJQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=nF3MwycDXPE5evJR81f7Rtho+9J0X6zhN3wD0BQpWBc=; b=YQa8PpN3vWvW2ewzFofoU+GHmYlRgif2T6wwV2D3Hgsdv+E+vQQgBEVXbxdmdqgMCi dMYo1pki+CLMKeiRe9oXbtp/4Rr7yVcWk2t/k8qSWUrjn2G8+9g0aqmw/Hv9i8UJrzem YVyhvpnukx8cO8CWonuxtBzhtPdPi/4FuA1vUiN+bUbnjFJ9Nmwl0Zr8jZ4g7eZ44SdH kOUGew/q3o8sXDd1jZvjBBDTvYhsZLBZNv2eNTVzgCFh0YOWquMQ/nMDBde0kKzIAt/h 9eO3IQ8zemdPzrtjE2FDLP8GPNzTmXU2AyD79627uprI73thL1d0AeZ1Cs5sGKhoJd2Y IvEg== X-Received: by 10.49.98.42 with SMTP id ef10mr7491164qeb.15.1357167284808; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:54:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.39.231 with SMTP id s7ls5997928qek.47.gmail; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:54:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.229.232 with SMTP id st8mr24486906vec.34.1357167284018; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:54:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.229.232 with SMTP id st8mr24486905vec.34.1357167284001; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d17si14985209vdt.1.2013.01.02.14.54.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.180; Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id p16so14679281vcq.39 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:54:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.64.139 with SMTP id o11mr3852569vds.107.1357167283890; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.117.145 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:54:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:54:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] From: Remo Dentato To: lojban-beginners X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3079bccadb699a04d2562186 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4665 --20cf3079bccadb699a04d2562186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > >> You failed to notice that they are not regular at all as three glosses >> you wrote are all different. >> > > No I didn't. They are "different" because the -bo'e of each have different > amount of sumti places: gasnu has 2, mutce 3, and traji 4. > Yes, that's what makes them different and what makes them non regular. First of all, it's not my rule, and second of all, it's not a "so-called" > rule, it's an actual rule. It's part of the CLL, in Chapter 12, although > I'm not going to bother trying to find the exact section. > I've Chapter 12 in front of me and I cant find it. Instead in section 12.1 (I bothered looking for it) you can read: "There are no absolute laws fixing the place structure of a newly created lujvo. The maker must consider the place structures of all the components of the tanru and then decide which are still relevant and which can be removed. What is said in this chapter represents guidelines, presented as one possible standard, not necessarily complete, and not the only possible standard." 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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Jonathan Jones &= lt;eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Remo Dentato <rdenta= to@gmail.com> wrote:
You failed to notice that they are not regular at all= as three glosses you wrote are all different.

No I didn't. They are "different" because the -bo&= #39;e of each have different amount of sumti places: gasnu has 2, mutce 3, = and traji 4.
Yes, that's what makes them different and what = makes them non regular.

First of all, it's not my rule, and sec= ond of all, it's not a "so-called" rule, it's an actual r= ule. It's part of the CLL, in Chapter 12, although I'm not going to= bother trying to find the exact section.
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I've Chapter 12 in front of= me and I cant find it. Instead in section 12.1 (I bothered looking for it)= you can read:

"There are no absolute laws fixing the place str= ucture of a newly created lujvo. The
maker must consider the place structures of all the components of the tanru= and
then decide which are still relevant and which can be removed. What= is said in this
chapter represents guidelines, presented as one possibl= e standard, not necessarily
complete, and not the only possible standard."
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= So if we want to make a rule for jvajvo we should at least try to make it c= lear to everyone.
=A0
<= br>

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