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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 02, 2013 22:05:10 Remo Dentato wrote:
> > Ok, but if (following the {-gau} pattern)
> >     {ko'a rodme'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a}
> > means
> >     {ko'a mleca lo su'u ko'e broda ko'i k'o' ko'u fo'a}
> >
> > I fail to understand how something may be less than an abstraction. The
> > problem is that mleca2 is the term of comparison.
>
> "-me'a" follows the same pattern as "-mau"/"-zma".
> "ko'a rodme'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a" means
> "ko'a mleca ko'e lo ni ce'u broda ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a". At least I think
> that's right; I'm not sure where to put lo ve mleca.
>

I have to say that it has to be{ko'a mleca ko'e lo ni ce'u broda ko'o ko'u
fo'a fo'e kei ko'i}, because, while {lo ve mleca} is a very seldomly used
place, doing otherwise makes the resulting lujvo irregular, which defeats
the point of jvajvo. So in your example {do} is {lo se nelme'a} and {lo
cakla} is {lo xe nelme'a}.


>
> E.g. "mi nelme'a do lo cakla" means "I like chocolate less than you do."
> This
> is not to be confused with "mecnei", e.g. "mi necmei lo cakla lo najnimre"
> (I
> like chocolate less than oranges). "neizma" and "zmanei" are their
> respective
> antonyms.
>

mecnei and zmanei don't look like jvajvo to me. They certainly don't follow
the rule I elaborated on above.

mecnei looks like {ko'e mleca ko'i loka ko'a nelci ce'u, which definitely
doesn't fit. Same with zmanei.


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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Pierre A=
bbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_=
blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wednesday, January 02, 2013 22:05:10 Remo Dentato wrot=
e:<br>
&gt; Ok, but if (following the {-gau} pattern)<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 {ko&#39;a rodme&#39;a ko&#39;e ko&#39;i ko&#39;o ko&#39;u fo&#=
39;a}<br>
&gt; means<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 {ko&#39;a mleca lo su&#39;u ko&#39;e broda ko&#39;i k&#39;o&#3=
9; ko&#39;u fo&#39;a}<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I fail to understand how something may be less than an abstraction. Th=
e<br>
&gt; problem is that mleca2 is the term of comparison.<br>
<br>
</div>&quot;-me&#39;a&quot; follows the same pattern as &quot;-mau&quot;/&q=
uot;-zma&quot;.<br>
<div class=3D"im">&quot;ko&#39;a rodme&#39;a ko&#39;e ko&#39;i ko&#39;o ko&=
#39;u fo&#39;a&quot; means<br>
</div>&quot;ko&#39;a mleca ko&#39;e lo ni ce&#39;u broda ko&#39;i ko&#39;o =
ko&#39;u fo&#39;a&quot;. At least I think<br>
that&#39;s right; I&#39;m not sure where to put lo ve mleca.<br></blockquot=
e><div><br>I have to say that it has to be{ko&#39;a mleca ko&#39;e lo ni ce=
&#39;u broda ko&#39;o ko&#39;u fo&#39;a fo&#39;e kei ko&#39;i}, because, wh=
ile {lo ve mleca} is a very seldomly used place, doing otherwise makes the =
resulting lujvo irregular, which defeats the point of jvajvo. So in your ex=
ample {do} is {lo se nelme&#39;a} and {lo cakla} is {lo xe nelme&#39;a}.<br=
>
=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
E.g. &quot;mi nelme&#39;a do lo cakla&quot; means &quot;I like chocolate le=
ss than you do.&quot; This<br>
is not to be confused with &quot;mecnei&quot;, e.g. &quot;mi necmei lo cakl=
a lo najnimre&quot; (I<br>
like chocolate less than oranges). &quot;neizma&quot; and &quot;zmanei&quot=
; are their respective<br>
antonyms.<br></blockquote><div><br>mecnei and zmanei don&#39;t look like jv=
ajvo to me. They certainly don&#39;t follow the rule I elaborated on above.=
<br><br>mecnei looks like {ko&#39;e mleca ko&#39;i loka ko&#39;a nelci ce&#=
39;u, which definitely doesn&#39;t fit. Same with zmanei.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
Pierre<br>
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es.<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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