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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 02, 2013 22:05:10 Remo Dentato wrote:
> > Ok, but if (following the {-gau} pattern)
> >     {ko'a rodme'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a}
> > means
> >     {ko'a mleca lo su'u ko'e broda ko'i k'o' ko'u fo'a}
> >
> > I fail to understand how something may be less than an abstraction. The
> > problem is that mleca2 is the term of comparison.
>
> "-me'a" follows the same pattern as "-mau"/"-zma".
> "ko'a rodme'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a" means
> "ko'a mleca ko'e lo ni ce'u broda ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a". At least I think
> that's right; I'm not sure where to put lo ve mleca.
>
> E.g. "mi nelme'a do lo cakla" means "I like chocolate less than you do."
> This
> is not to be confused with "mecnei", e.g. "mi necmei lo cakla lo najnimre"
> (I
> like chocolate less than oranges). "neizma" and "zmanei" are their
> respective
> antonyms.
>

Based on http://dag.github.com/cll/12/15/:

"I like chocolate less than you" is {mi nelme'a do lo cakla} (antonym =
neizma)
"I like chocolate less than oranges" is {lo cakla lo najnimre selnelme'a
mi} (antonym = selneizma) (Using {te} would put the subject in front, but
would also effectively reverse the meanings: {mi te selnelme'a lo najnimre
lo cakla} = "I like oranges more than chocolate.")


>
> Pierre
> --
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">p=
hma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wednesday, January 02, 2013 22:05:10 Remo Dentato wrot=
e:<br>
&gt; Ok, but if (following the {-gau} pattern)<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 {ko&#39;a rodme&#39;a ko&#39;e ko&#39;i ko&#39;o ko&#39;u fo&#=
39;a}<br>
&gt; means<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 {ko&#39;a mleca lo su&#39;u ko&#39;e broda ko&#39;i k&#39;o&#3=
9; ko&#39;u fo&#39;a}<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I fail to understand how something may be less than an abstraction. Th=
e<br>
&gt; problem is that mleca2 is the term of comparison.<br>
<br>
</div>&quot;-me&#39;a&quot; follows the same pattern as &quot;-mau&quot;/&q=
uot;-zma&quot;.<br>
<div class=3D"im">&quot;ko&#39;a rodme&#39;a ko&#39;e ko&#39;i ko&#39;o ko&=
#39;u fo&#39;a&quot; means<br>
</div>&quot;ko&#39;a mleca ko&#39;e lo ni ce&#39;u broda ko&#39;i ko&#39;o =
ko&#39;u fo&#39;a&quot;. At least I think<br>
that&#39;s right; I&#39;m not sure where to put lo ve mleca.<br>
<br>
E.g. &quot;mi nelme&#39;a do lo cakla&quot; means &quot;I like chocolate le=
ss than you do.&quot; This<br>
is not to be confused with &quot;mecnei&quot;, e.g. &quot;mi necmei lo cakl=
a lo najnimre&quot; (I<br>
like chocolate less than oranges). &quot;neizma&quot; and &quot;zmanei&quot=
; are their respective<br>
antonyms.<br></blockquote><div><br>Based on <a href=3D"http://dag.github.co=
m/cll/12/15/">http://dag.github.com/cll/12/15/</a>:<br><br>&quot;I like cho=
colate less than you&quot; is {mi nelme&#39;a do lo cakla} (antonym =3D nei=
zma)<br>
&quot;I like chocolate less than oranges&quot; is {lo cakla lo najnimre sel=
nelme&#39;a mi} (antonym =3D selneizma) (Using {te} would put the subject i=
n front, but would also effectively reverse the meanings: {mi te selnelme&#=
39;a lo najnimre lo cakla} =3D &quot;I like oranges more than chocolate.&qu=
ot;)<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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es.<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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