Received: from mail-ia0-f191.google.com ([209.85.210.191]:64453) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqmFy-0008Mi-9R; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:58:59 -0800 Received: by mail-ia0-f191.google.com with SMTP id x24sf9060162iak.18 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:58:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QRHgLANompLD0sjxermpuAGlwbX2MVAReX1IwfF5BZk=; b=nwwKkOBVAAhR5KQnyuceqsUXVacfSqWTUrJZm1fgBOBXWK1hLVJrbD3uCRK9wVwMik ycxtq91YVXCgFmVlfYV3ktLiV10jiPWtXHgsRuomkL4nGl+ko4qQfayQH1ox/xNe2kT+ SKaCRTL+VrLsocekhfT82Sj3TrkvbZNPgkxKTuDLaWs21FFKL3+IyDYaFhC/w2rPyTH6 FJ3yyEiJOHDnOYqYCVsnaGgj/ZlAB0ULk/0yJp2jpWkyknBXavOmjepnhNArvIBdeByz aXS8NLak4PMyTgCKtSlsATeh44hpKrYuXAI+gq+73FCz4drIn/tSiF/uRpd/hjTnGaoP JZ6w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QRHgLANompLD0sjxermpuAGlwbX2MVAReX1IwfF5BZk=; b=dYCr9hyl2liJiodkh7t4AT0i3XChTi4u7hG4lGvwIFQ5P9nRLgZRQZAVoKOSDYm9IX jM0kehQFXO4VLhOPa+7k2EgOR070axzEFeR6LFANphGmNRlpKj3asB3syyVx3MAJgm0T ETpj/JaMQDFOMOe2jWTCjdNeSDqJs7KtfHEAYpoille90VphWzb/2rZqhQZl2YeMwZ+S CkLkwX95t7927gzMBFo9dX+qKukicNSfEWSoA7xV52o+YQAdN+M4bt12/a/h1hx5DZFq 08izPjIh9XHQALrTLXkmQSk8AKmL+Yrcy+6CZw23a89APe+sWBgCia9mfVxfGFzzrX1R 7A8Q== X-Received: by 10.50.154.132 with SMTP id vo4mr15994303igb.7.1357225126934; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:58:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.140.37 with SMTP id rd5ls11325955igb.2.gmail; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:58:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.135.66 with SMTP id pq2mr15954776igb.3.1357225125239; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:58:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 06:58:44 -0800 (PST) From: mudri To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0bda5d89-da09-48d1-a282-7aee13e2398e@googlegroups.com> References: <0bda5d89-da09-48d1-a282-7aee13e2398e@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Special reference, underspecified MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jammyatjammy@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_504_13715014.1357225124754" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3251 ------=_Part_504_13715014.1357225124754 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Isn't this a situation for {le}, as in {le se pelkre}? As I understand it, {le} makes the listener assume that the speaker is talking about something(s) known, rather than just anything that fits the description. .iepei doi jbocre? On Monday, 31 December 2012 17:01:01 UTC, neizyn. wrote: > > coi > .i mi'e neizyn. > > Sorry, I'm just a beginnger! but I was wondering about a special situation. > Suppose there's a group of girls with one guy; I'm talking to one of the > girls, and I make a statement referring to the guy without unambiguously > referring to him by name or other reference. This is because he's the only > person in the group like that. Say he's blonde. Is there a way I can say > that "someone is blond" oooooor 'blonde exists/obtains such that x is > blonde' ? Better yet, could I use that with some kind of reference? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/T5vwUy3JmTYJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_504_13715014.1357225124754 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't this a situation for {le}, as in {le se pelkre}? As I understand it, = {le} makes the listener assume that the speaker is talking about something(= s) known, rather than just anything that fits the description. .iepei doi j= bocre?

On Monday, 31 December 2012 17:01:01 UTC, neizyn. wrote:
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.i mi'e neizyn.=
 
Sorry, I'm just a beginnger! but I was wonderin= g about a special situation.
Suppose there's a group of girls wit= h one guy; I'm talking to one of the girls, and I make a statement referrin= g to the guy without unambiguously referring to him by name or other refere= nce. This is because he's the only person in the group like that. Say he's = blonde. Is there a way I can say that "someone is blond" oooooor 'blon= de exists/obtains such that x is blonde' ? Better yet, could I use that wit= h some kind of reference? 

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