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Sent from my iPod On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmai= l.com> wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:44 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@= gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@= gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <rpglo= ver64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote: ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva zo'oi s= hould fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should go to th= e gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi "I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it again: How d= oes one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to the gym" (= Damned "zoi" rules))? With gismu: I'm a little unsure about the proper Lojban word for what I mean here (selb= ri?), but it seems to me that using "gismu" is overly specific. Similar for= "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would apply. Those two categories cover all the= bases (since names can't do the job). I said gismu because that's what I used. IT's possible that other forms of = selbri (eg. tanru, lujvo, etc.) would also work, but the example I used was= a gismu. The same reasoning applies to the other example. stevo mi bilga lonu citka With attitudinal (although I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement = on this one): mi citka.ei -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to loj= ban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den= . -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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how can a lujvo be a selbri?
Sent from my iPod

On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Jonathan Jone= s <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:=

On = Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:44 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM= , Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku= di'e .i fanva zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi= gy. I should go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi

"I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it ag= ain: How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to = the gym" (Damned "zoi" rules))?

With gismu:
=

I'm a little unsure about the proper= Lojban word for what I mean here (selbri?), but it seems to me that using = "gismu" is overly specific. Similar for "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would ap= ply. Those two categories cover all the bases (since names can't do the job= ). 

I said gismu because that's what I used. IT's p= ossible that other forms of selbri (eg. tanru, lujvo, etc.) would also work= , but the example I used was a gismu. The same reasoning applies to the oth= er example.

stevo

mi bilga lonu citka


Wit= h attitudinal (although I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement on = this one):

mi citka.ei
 
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mu'o mi'e .= arpis.

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