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i may not know what i'm talking about, but the best word would definately e=
ither be selbri or attitudinal.
Sent from my iPod
On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:45 PM, MorphemeAddict <<lytlesw@gmail.com>lytlesw@gmai=
l.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Jones <<eyeonus@gmail.com>eyeonus@=
gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <<rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>rpglo=
ver64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva zo'oi s=
hould fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should go to th=
e gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi
"I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it again: How d=
oes one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to the gym" (=
Damned "zoi" rules))?
With gismu:
I'm a little unsure about the proper Lojban word for what I mean here (selb=
ri?), but it seems to me that using "gismu" is overly specific. Similar for=
 "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would apply. Those two categories cover all the=
 bases (since names can't do the job).
stevo
mi bilga lonu citka
With attitudinal (although I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement =
on this one):
mi citka.ei
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>i may not know what i'm talking ab=
out, but the best word would definately either be selbri or attitudinal.<br=
><br>Sent from my iPod</div><div><br>On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:45 PM, MorphemeAd=
dict &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">



<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku=
 di'e .i fanva zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi=
 gy. I should go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi<br>





<br></div>"I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it ag=
ain: How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to =
the gym" (Damned "zoi" rules))?<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"a=
ll">





</font></span></div></blockquote></div><div><br>With gismu:<br></div></div>=
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm a little unsure about the proper Lojba=
n word for what I mean here (selbri?), but it seems to me that using "gismu=
" is overly specific. Similar for "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would apply. T=
hose two categories cover all the bases (since names can't do the job).&nbs=
p;</div>


<div><br></div><div>stevo</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div><br>mi bilga lonu citka<br><br><br>With attitudinal (alt=
hough I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement on this one):<br>


<br>mi citka.ei<br>&nbsp;</div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span><font color=3D"#888888"><div><div>-- <br>mu'o mi'e .=
arpis.<br>
</div></div></font></span></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">

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