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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 23:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Should/Ought To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1ce76a2651c04d26e9171 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 11188 --e89a8ff1ce76a2651c04d26e9171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Annie, lujvo and gismu refer to properties of the words themselves, while selbri refers to how the word is used in a sentence. Because in lojban there is no hard divide (like there is in English) between, for example, words which are verbs, adjectives, adverbs, and nouns, lujvo, gismu, and even a few cmavo can be used as selbri. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Annie wrote: > i may not know what i'm talking about, but the best word would definately > either be selbri or attitudinal. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:45 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. wrote: >> >>> ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva >>> zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should >>> go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi >>> >>> "I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it again: >>> How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to the >>> gym" (Damned "zoi" rules))? >>> >> >> With gismu: >> > > I'm a little unsure about the proper Lojban word for what I mean here > (selbri?), but it seems to me that using "gismu" is overly specific. > Similar for "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would apply. Those two categories > cover all the bases (since names can't do the job). > > stevo > >> >> mi bilga lonu citka >> >> >> With attitudinal (although I wouldn't be surprised if there's >> disagreement on this one): >> >> mi citka.ei >> >> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Annie, lujvo and gismu refer to properties of the words th= emselves, while selbri refers to how the word is used in a sentence. Becaus= e in lojban there is no hard divide (like there is in English) between, for= example, words which are verbs, adjectives, adverbs, and nouns, lujvo, gis= mu, and even a few cmavo can be used as selbri.


On Thu,= Jan 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>= wrote:
i may not know what i= 'm talking about, but the best word would definately either be selbri o= r attitudinal.

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 2, 2013, = at 2:45 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:



On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jon= athan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai= mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi g= y. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo= zoi javni toi toi

"I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so= , I ask it again: How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I s= hould eat", "I should go to the gym" (Damned "zoi"= rules))?

With gismu:
=

I'm a little unsure about the proper L= ojban word for what I mean here (selbri?), but it seems to me that using &q= uot;gismu" is overly specific. Similar for "attitudinal" whe= n "cmavo" would apply. Those two categories cover all the bases (= since names can't do the job).=A0

stevo

mi bilga lonu citka


With attitudinal (alt= hough I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement on this one):=

mi citka.ei
=A0
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mu'o mi= 'e .arpis.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai = ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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