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On Sunday, January 6, 2013, Annie wrote:

> Goodness! The concept of selbri is way more complicated than I realized.
>

When I started learning Lojban, I got the concept of selbri thinking of
them as set definitions.

So {plise} is the set of all apples. {klama} is the set of those going
somewhere, {klama be lo zarci} is the set of those who go to a store (a
smaller subset of {klama}), {klama be lo zarci be lo zdani} is the even
smaller set of those who go to a store from an house.

A bridi states that x1 is part of the set defined by the selbri.
This view made simpler for me to move on and get the rest, I hope it can
help you too.

For those versed in a more formal reasoning, this interpretation is
supported by the fact that relations are a subset of the cartesian products
of sets. In theory all sets are equally important but in Lojban the set
that is used for the sumti place x1 is given a special treatment, thats why
my interpretation attaches the other sumti places to the selbri first.Note
that this is exactly what is done when we speak of "bridi tails".

mu'o mi'e la .remod.

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On Sunday, January 6, 2013, Annie  wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Goodness! The concept of selbri is way more complic=
ated than I realized.<br>


</div></div></blockquote><span><br></span><div><span>When I started learnin=
g Lojban, I got the concept of selbri thinking of them as set definitions.<=
/span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>So {plise} is the set of=
 all apples. {klama} is the set of those going somewhere, {klama be lo zarc=
i} is the set of those who go to a=A0store (a smaller subset of {klama}), {=
klama be lo zarci be lo zdani} is the even smaller set of those who go to a=
 store from an house.<span></span></span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div>A bridi states that x1 is part of the set =
defined by the selbri.</div><div>This view made simpler for me to move on a=
nd get the rest, I hope it can help you too.</div><div><br></div>For those =
versed in a more formal reasoning, this interpretation is supported by the =
fact that relations are a subset of the cartesian products of sets. In theo=
ry all sets are equally important but in Lojban the set that is used for th=
e sumti place x1 is given a special treatment, thats why my interpretation =
attaches the other sumti places to the selbri first.Note that this is exact=
ly what is done when we speak of &quot;bridi tails&quot;.<div>
<br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la .remod.<span></span><br>
<div><span><br></span></div>
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