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spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2573 On 6 January 2013 07:17, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Firstly, for anyone who's interested in Haiku in general, there's a huge > amount of (English) Haiku at http://www.haiku.com/ > > So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban. > > Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about is that > it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllables, and a > final line of 5 syllables. > > Lojban seems to me to be a language especially suited to haiku, so I imagine > this APE will be especially fun one. > > I made the effort of making both the English translation and the Lojban be > haiku, but the rest of you don't have to if the English is difficult to fit > into haiku: > > co'a lo vensa > lo cifxrula ba banro > ja'e lo nunmle > > when the spring begins > the flower buds will blossom > and so comes beauty > It looks like you're using the old interpretation of ZAhO, namely {za'o lo nu broda} -> {ca lo nu za'e broda}, but everyone on IRC these days is using another interpretation, namely {broda za'o lo nu brode} -> {za'o broda ca lo nu brode}, which has the advantage of not implicitly modifying the contents of the tagged sumti (which no other tags do). With the common interpretation of ZAhO, your haiku reads slightly differently: "In the spring, The flower buds begin to bloom, So there is beauty." As for my haiku :p This is one I came up with quite a while ago in high school: .i termu'eske zdakemkulgu'a .oi sai sei ca sipydji "Doing physics, homework, I complain, while wanting to sleep." Needless to say, it translates rather poorly. During a few excessively boring classes, I had filled a few pages with haiku, but alas, I'm almost certain I've lost them. .i lo nu jmive cu se sanga gi'e nai se crezenzu'e "To be alive, is a song, and not practiced." (This is adapted from the musical episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer >_>; the original goes "Life's a song you don't get to rehearse.") .i fi lo tricu fa lo pezli cu farlu lo rarna dimna "From a tree, A leaf falls, to it's natural fate." Anyway, writing haiku in Lojban is indeed extremely easy, but writing *good* haiku in any language, not so much :p .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.