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spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb202766a011404d2a19987 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 8429 --e89a8fb202766a011404d2a19987 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > On 6 January 2013 07:17, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Firstly, for anyone who's interested in Haiku in general, there's a huge > > amount of (English) Haiku at http://www.haiku.com/ > > > > So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban. > > > > Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about is > that > > it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllables, and a > > final line of 5 syllables. > > > > Lojban seems to me to be a language especially suited to haiku, so I > imagine > > this APE will be especially fun one. > > > > I made the effort of making both the English translation and the Lojban > be > > haiku, but the rest of you don't have to if the English is difficult to > fit > > into haiku: > > > > co'a lo vensa > > lo cifxrula ba banro > > ja'e lo nunmle > > > > when the spring begins > > the flower buds will blossom > > and so comes beauty > > > > It looks like you're using the old interpretation of ZAhO, namely > {za'o lo nu broda} -> {ca lo nu za'e broda}, but everyone on IRC these > days is using another interpretation, namely {broda za'o lo nu brode} > -> {za'o broda ca lo nu brode}, which has the advantage of not > implicitly modifying the contents of the tagged sumti (which no other > tags do). With the common interpretation of ZAhO, your haiku reads > slightly differently: > "In the spring, > The flower buds begin to bloom, > So there is beauty." > This is not the place for this. I've moved this discussion to the main list where it belongs. > As for my haiku :p This is one I came up with quite a while ago in high > school: > .i termu'eske > zdakemkulgu'a .oi sai > sei ca sipydji > > "Doing physics, > homework, I complain, > while wanting to sleep." > > Needless to say, it translates rather poorly. During a few excessively > boring classes, I had filled a few pages with haiku, but alas, I'm > almost certain I've lost them. > > .i lo nu jmive > cu se sanga gi'e nai > se crezenzu'e > > "To be alive, > is a song, and not > practiced." > > (This is adapted from the musical episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer > >_>; the original goes "Life's a song you don't get to rehearse.") > > .i fi lo tricu > fa lo pezli cu farlu > lo rarna dimna > > "From a tree, > A leaf falls, > to it's natural fate." > > Anyway, writing haiku in Lojban is indeed extremely easy, but writing > *good* haiku in any language, not so much :p > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Jacob Errington = <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 January 2013 07:17, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Firstly, for anyone who's interested in Haiku in general, there= 9;s a huge
> amount of (English) Haiku at http://www.haiku.com/
>
> So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban.
>
> Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about= is that
> it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllables,= and a
> final line of 5 syllables.
>
> Lojban seems to me to be a language especially suited to haiku, so I i= magine
> this APE will be especially fun one.
>
> I made the effort of making both the English translation and the Lojba= n be
> haiku, =A0but the rest of you don't have to if the English is diff= icult to fit
> into haiku:
>
> co'a lo vensa
> lo cifxrula ba banro
> ja'e lo nunmle
>
> when the spring begins
> the flower buds will blossom
> and so comes beauty
>

It looks like you're using the old interpretation of ZAhO, namely=
{za'o lo nu broda} -> {ca lo nu za'e broda}, but everyone on IRC= these
days is using another interpretation, namely {broda za'o lo nu brode} -> {za'o broda ca lo nu brode}, which has the advantage of not
implicitly modifying the contents of the tagged sumti (which no other
tags do). With the common interpretation of ZAhO, your haiku reads
slightly differently:
"In the spring,
The flower buds begin to bloom,
So there is beauty."

This is not the place fo= r this. I've moved this discussion to the main list where it belongs.=A0
As for my haiku :p This is one I came up with quite a while ago in high sch= ool:
.i termu'eske
zdakemkulgu'a .oi sai
sei ca sipydji

"Doing physics,
homework, I complain,
while wanting to sleep."

Needless to say, it translates rather poorly. During a few excessively
boring classes, I had filled a few pages with haiku, but alas, I'm
almost certain I've lost them.

.i lo nu jmive
cu se sanga gi'e nai
se crezenzu'e

"To be alive,
is a song, and not
practiced."

(This is adapted from the musical episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer
>_>; the original goes "Life's a song you don't get to r= ehearse.")

.i fi lo tricu
fa lo pezli cu farlu
lo rarna dimna

"From a tree,
A leaf falls,
to it's natural fate."

Anyway, writing haiku in Lojban is indeed extremely easy, but writing
*good* haiku in any language, not so much :p

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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