Received: from mail-vc0-f192.google.com ([209.85.220.192]:37827) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TsK9X-0002Dw-Fg; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:22:49 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f192.google.com with SMTP id l6sf9568309vcl.29 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:22:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=PB8d/42Usp3ByRnxf/ykqyEyD2FYuGKJFGvXCOGUh3c=; b=RiH2HHbadk+kXoGY4S0XNMOYSwVGMFtvwMYFLU4+QAtQ6kRiuTXcdFDB5CkQpR7AVl WTQG4UyM1c1FRIIBFEppbqySKZ4w3gW9Im2GOE5RQptMasKXfi0nWcBQu+AZOVvfkuaj vygHeV3XNGq/qF00wgM9eEXAWo92Wlxht84JktLkrl66iOy8QXps/DPvjxPJgEC748fs pky2+Cn3k80lxPbo477/LUhmJuQawQMMW+Evxa59IZl0Cl7hr1VWzQK0WKl8juMC2VzC nDCKXX9sx+6rQc4ocu16KkifvntCwC0m29NYoFlQYe/t8qMCER4iDCIjDhjDLlvqkDsY jRpA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=PB8d/42Usp3ByRnxf/ykqyEyD2FYuGKJFGvXCOGUh3c=; b=Qz+ud8lmb4UHKwvKt4OnCZiq/vJWECJva33cw6hmT2DgZCvVL5//SMBNzOp7KCAoGe DqwznEarX9YoBp8NL8wB7Ol7FDgY1r+qQq5h1zaUZQMVsWaaylEpHIThW3y9SWruUbX8 mvxP53HnHDNp50I1nM3tw3R9zOivQg1ged6EFDJO8+Or12YkDwiRSbpXVujGxhfFFn5r KLiyXeBexjEM1gOJrqVP1kpi/iILFGQXBxoGsIBkbpSKHlzAP5aBEYKYmI3n8XKaj09d JOE/4/iZvlyJjZque5FaVVgCHxddZHP14RVTBLdEJoHBurNuKsyYTi8wnxxRAxFw1cmo R2Eg== X-Received: by 10.50.13.130 with SMTP id h2mr2672014igc.16.1357593747183; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:22:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.10.138 with SMTP id i10ls2172344igb.5.canary; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:22:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.175.70 with SMTP id az6mr48712265icb.33.1357593746335; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:22:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.175.70 with SMTP id az6mr48712264icb.33.1357593746307; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vb13si604136igb.2.2013.01.07.13.22.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id uo13so17825000obb.22 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:22:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.42.97 with SMTP id n1mr43552868obl.91.1357593746064; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:22:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:22:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: APE: Lojban haiku From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93998ebfbc55404d2b96ced X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 8273 --14dae93998ebfbc55404d2b96ced Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, manti wrote: > ki'ecoi la .aionys. .e la tsani > You don't need the coi there, unless you meant to say "Thanks and hello, aionys and tsani", of course. > I had forgotten that you only need the pauses before and after for cmene. > Also I decided to write another because this is a fun/good way to > learn/practice some Lojban. > > lo si'o ciska > lo ro fa'orma'o cu > xanri fu'inai > > The concept of writing > every terminator > is difficult to imagine Okay, first, I literally laughed when I read this one. A note though: fu'inai is an attitudinal, which means you have that attitude about whatever it is attaching to. So, you're not saying that it's difficult to imagine, but rather that you specifically have a difficult attitude towards imagining it. This is difficult to explain since we don't have an equivalent word in English. Okay, so I'll try with one we do have a word for: {do gleki.iu} is "You're happy [Happiness!]", or more long winded, "You're happy [<-- I'm happy about this]". I'd suggest {narfrili xanri} if you meant the former. > On Sunday, January 6, 2013 6:17:04 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote: > >> Firstly, for anyone who's interested in Haiku in general, there's a huge >> amount of (English) Haiku at http://www.haiku.com/ >> >> So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban. >> >> Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about is >> that it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllables, and >> a final line of 5 syllables. >> >> Lojban seems to me to be a language especially suited to haiku, so I >> imagine this APE will be especially fun one. >> >> I made the effort of making both the English translation and the Lojban >> be haiku, but the rest of you don't have to if the English is difficult to >> fit into haiku: >> >> co'a lo vensa >> lo cifxrula ba banro >> ja'e lo nunmle >> >> when the spring begins >> the flower buds will blossom >> and so comes beauty >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/WKoZcAU0bzEJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --14dae93998ebfbc55404d2b96ced Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, manti <wakkawalross@gmail.com>= wrote:
ki'ecoi la .aionys. .e la tsani

You= don't need the coi there, unless you meant to say "Thanks and hel= lo, aionys and tsani", of course.
=A0
I had forgotten that you only need the pauses before and after for cmene.Also I decided to write another because this is a fun/good way to learn/p= ractice some Lojban.

lo si'o ciska
lo ro fa'orma'o cu=
xanri fu'inai

The concept of writing
every terminator
is d= ifficult to imagine

Okay, first, I literall= y laughed when I read this one.

A note though: fu&= #39;inai is an attitudinal, which means you have that attitude about whatev= er it is attaching to. So, you're not saying that it's difficult to= imagine, but rather that you specifically have a difficult attitude toward= s imagining it. This is difficult to explain since we don't have an equ= ivalent word in English.

Okay, so I'll try with one we do have a word for: {= do gleki.iu} is "You're happy [Happiness!]", or more long win= ded, "You're happy [<-- I'm happy about this]".

I'd suggest {narfrili xanri} if you meant the forme= r.
=A0
On S= unday, January 6, 2013 6:17:04 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote:
Firstly, for= anyone who's interested in Haiku in general, there's a huge amount= of (English) Haiku at = http://www.haiku.com/

So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban.

Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about = is that it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllabl= es, and a final line of 5 syllables.

Lojban seems to me to be a lang= uage especially suited to haiku, so I imagine this APE will be especially f= un one.

I made the effort of making both the English translation and the Lojban= be haiku,=A0 but the rest of you don't have to if the English is diffi= cult to fit into haiku:

co'a lo vensa
lo cifxrula ba banro ja'e lo nunmle

when the spring begins
the flower buds will bl= ossom
and so comes beauty

--
mu'o mi'e = .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi = patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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= mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa = bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am yo= ur father. :D )

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