Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:47000) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TsNk8-0003yM-FP; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:12:50 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id xn12sf11710835obc.26 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:12:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=JrfNMxVTQmk63Z1SrFNXToZEQohb/DujK6kjwgxJdYA=; b=IgFmgrzi+LBrIOzTgHveRtYonbsTsN01k+CBnB1POVkLGPo34CrksG/P54dY13S8PG y90qxq6MPIStJnx/tcs1emlGZqTaRCNtS4nVnndeOeAy5cSxhupi9iKAERPfqvRVQQx4 2SNChGYWlYPY5NA3VSUFYXmaMQqSEWCkMIyKGCAF2+PAJBOm3dyf8o8nAuRrpRfmMMO5 pfzYMpQLf07Tg6H3QrvvYcnDm0GyiqFYVpZtMyRBsbadBzZegaW3D7IasLtah7vBNh9v 2sKWpLomD/2SLlCy+r8Q0BpfCF3vnu3SvvAejyg4wynR4Q0OChUek0PTe8pYNrUILf4A dWVA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=JrfNMxVTQmk63Z1SrFNXToZEQohb/DujK6kjwgxJdYA=; b=mdfFYs8XRjjbQbSttRU1AAIqwwjY9GHaQrCVaH+IOQs1rv5ZD3J4iUIVhcRs68SayG C1qdepSxUKELVBIY0+ZIiYpGYDiCF4MMCvxtJCFtjIup/PL6VL4QAn6baXsBPSFERs0i KeLaWDfU8wrWm4ZR/dxXXeGV8TiHEAOUjG8hVWw/VLaZ1psysITdWzILxJhT3TX2ORPN s9W1DU+ZNgwzxGEDfkHgBnKaHbjjV4YxDfHwxxLADQ9Lngwh82fX7ELvUSF4ANZ3yb6a bDLh2Ww5RKAcJwLwZ1L9ES5sAChQWpDQSI9gnDpgmvkh4WS7C6ZSq98HFYRNFJ+sEkrB ZyxA== X-Received: by 10.50.106.225 with SMTP id gx1mr2917327igb.8.1357607554018; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:12:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.190.163 with SMTP id gr3ls2321403igc.17.canary; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.72.193 with SMTP id f1mr7436471igv.0.1357607552599; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.72.193 with SMTP id f1mr7436469igv.0.1357607552545; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hw1si642602igc.3.2013.01.07.17.12.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.53; Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j6so18683849oag.26 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.169.18 with SMTP id aa18mr35454468oec.13.1357607552188; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 18:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: APE: Lojban haiku From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54b4a56e4803c04d2bca306 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 11109 --bcaec54b4a56e4803c04d2bca306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:19 PM, manti wrote: > I don't know how to quote people, so... > > From what I can tell {narfrili xanri} is something closer to what I meant, > so thank you for that. > Typically you just reply to the message you want to quote and your mail program does the all the work. In Gmail, you can also quote only part of a message by highlighting the part you want to quote before pressing "Reply". This may or may not be true with other mailers as well. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, manti wrote: > >> ki'ecoi la .aionys. .e la tsani >> > > You don't need the coi there, unless you meant to say "Thanks and hello, > aionys and tsani", of course. > > >> I had forgotten that you only need the pauses before and after for cmene. >> Also I decided to write another because this is a fun/good way to >> learn/practice some Lojban. >> >> lo si'o ciska >> lo ro fa'orma'o cu >> xanri fu'inai >> >> The concept of writing >> every terminator >> is difficult to imagine > > > Okay, first, I literally laughed when I read this one. > > A note though: fu'inai is an attitudinal, which means you have that > attitude about whatever it is attaching to. So, you're not saying that it's > difficult to imagine, but rather that you specifically have a difficult > attitude towards imagining it. This is difficult to explain since we don't > have an equivalent word in English. > > Okay, so I'll try with one we do have a word for: {do gleki.iu} is "You're > happy [Happiness!]", or more long winded, "You're happy [<-- I'm happy > about this]". > And I just now realized I'd dyslexia-fied .ui .iu is love, .ui is happiness. Sorry for the confusion, everyone. > I'd suggest {narfrili xanri} if you meant the former. > > >> On Sunday, January 6, 2013 6:17:04 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote: >> >>> Firstly, for anyone who's interested in Haiku in general, there's a huge >>> amount of (English) Haiku at http://www.haiku.com/ >>> >>> So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban. >>> >>> Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about is >>> that it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllables, and >>> a final line of 5 syllables. >>> >>> Lojban seems to me to be a language especially suited to haiku, so I >>> imagine this APE will be especially fun one. >>> >>> I made the effort of making both the English translation and the Lojban >>> be haiku, but the rest of you don't have to if the English is difficult to >>> fit into haiku: >>> >>> co'a lo vensa >>> lo cifxrula ba banro >>> ja'e lo nunmle >>> >>> when the spring begins >>> the flower buds will blossom >>> and so comes beauty >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/WKoZcAU0bzEJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --bcaec54b4a56e4803c04d2bca306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:19 PM, manti=A0<w= akkawalross@gmail.com>=A0wrote:
I don't know how to quote people, so...

From wh= at I can tell {narfrili xanri} is something closer to what I meant, so than= k you for that.

Typically you just r= eply to the message you want to quote and your mail program does the all th= e work.

In Gmail, you can also quote only part of a message by highl= ighting the part you want to quote before pressing "Reply". This = may or may not be true with other mailers as well.

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, manti &= lt;wakkawalross= @gmail.com> wrote:
ki'ecoi la .aionys. .e la tsani

You don't need the coi there, unless you meant to say "Thanks a= nd hello, aionys and tsani", of course.
=A0
I had forgotten that you only need the pauses before and after for cmene.Also I decided to write another because this is a fun/good way to learn/p= ractice some Lojban.

lo si'o ciska
lo ro fa'orma'o cu=
xanri fu'inai

The concept of writing
every terminator
is d= ifficult to imagine

Okay, first, I li= terally laughed when I read this one.

A note thoug= h: fu'inai is an attitudinal, which means you have that attitude about = whatever it is attaching to. So, you're not saying that it's diffic= ult to imagine, but rather that you specifically have a difficult attitude = towards imagining it. This is difficult to explain since we don't have = an equivalent word in English.

Okay, so I'll try with one we do have a word for: {= do gleki.iu} is "You're happy [Happiness!]", or more long win= ded, "You're happy [<-- I'm happy about this]".

And I just now realized I'd dysl= exia-fied .ui

.iu is love, .ui is happiness. Sorry= for the confusion, everyone.
=A0
I'd suggest {narfrili xanri} if you meant the former.
=A0
On Sunday= , January 6, 2013 6:17:04 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote:
Firstly, for anyone who&#= 39;s interested in Haiku in general, there's a huge amount of (English)= Haiku at http://www.ha= iku.com/

So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban.

Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about = is that it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllabl= es, and a final line of 5 syllables.

Lojban seems to me to be a lang= uage especially suited to haiku, so I imagine this APE will be especially f= un one.

I made the effort of making both the English translation and the Lojban= be haiku,=A0 but the rest of you don't have to if the English is diffi= cult to fit into haiku:

co'a lo vensa
lo cifxrula ba banro ja'e lo nunmle

when the spring begins
the flower buds will bl= ossom
and so comes beauty

--
mu'o mi'e = .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi = patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Lojban Beginners" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.= google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/WKoZcAU0bzEJ.

=20 To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+un= subscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/g= roup/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.



--
mu'o mi'e .aion= ys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )



--
= mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa = bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am yo= ur father. :D )

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.
--bcaec54b4a56e4803c04d2bca306--