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Also I decided to write another because this is a fun/good way to learn/practice some Lojban. lo si'o ciska lo ro fa'orma'o cu xanri fu'inai The concept of writing every terminator is difficult to imagine Okay, first, I literally laughed when I read this one. A note though: fu'inai is an attitudinal, which means you have that attitude about whatever it is attaching to. So, you're not saying that it's difficult to imagine, but rather that you specifically have a difficult attitude towards imagining it. This is difficult to explain since we don't have an equivalent word in English. Okay, so I'll try with one we do have a word for: {do gleki.iu} is "You're happy [Happiness!]", or more long winded, "You're happy [<-- I'm happy about this]". I'd suggest {narfrili xanri} if you meant the former. On Sunday, January 6, 2013 6:17:04 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote: Firstly, for anyone who's interested in Haiku in general, there's a huge amount of (English) Haiku at http://www.haiku.com/ So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban. Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about is that it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllables, and a final line of 5 syllables. Lojban seems to me to be a language especially suited to haiku, so I imagine this APE will be especially fun one. 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Sent from my iPod On Jan 7, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmai= l.com> wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, manti <wakkawalross= @gmail.com> wrote: ki'ecoi la .aionys. .e la tsani You don't need the coi there, unless you meant to say "Thanks and hello, ai= onys and tsani", of course. I had forgotten that you only need the pauses before and after for cmene. Also I decided to write another because this is a fun/good way to learn/pra= ctice some Lojban. lo si'o ciska lo ro fa'orma'o cu xanri fu'inai The concept of writing every terminator is difficult to imagine Okay, first, I literally laughed when I read this one. A note though: fu'inai is an attitudinal, which means you have that attitud= e about whatever it is attaching to. So, you're not saying that it's diffic= ult to imagine, but rather that you specifically have a difficult attitude = towards imagining it. This is difficult to explain since we don't have an e= quivalent word in English. Okay, so I'll try with one we do have a word for: {do gleki.iu} is "You're = happy [Happiness!]", or more long winded, "You're happy [<-- I'm happy abou= t this]". I'd suggest {narfrili xanri} if you meant the former. On Sunday, January 6, 2013 6:17:04 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote: Firstly, for anyone who's interested in Haiku in general, there's a huge am= ount of (English) Haiku at http://www.haiku.com/ So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban. Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about is that = it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllables, and a fi= nal line of 5 syllables. Lojban seems to me to be a language especially suited to haiku, so I imagin= e this APE will be especially fun one. I made the effort of making both the English translation and the Lojban be = haiku, but the rest of you don't have to if the English is difficult to fit= into haiku: co'a lo vensa lo cifxrula ba banro ja'e lo nunmle when the spring begins the flower buds will blossom and so comes beauty -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-begin= ners/-/WKoZcAU0bzEJ. To post to this group, send email to loj= ban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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what's the difference between some= thing being difficult and just having a difficult attitude tward it? isn't = the word "difffficult" an oppionated word, since what's difficult for one p= erson may not be for another?

Sent from my iPod

On Jan= 7, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, manti <wakkawalross@gmail.com> wrote:
ki'ecoi la .aionys. .e la tsani

You don= 't need the coi there, unless you meant to say "Thanks and hello, aionys an= d tsani", of course.
 
I had forgotten that you only need the pauses before and after for cmene.Also I decided to write another because this is a fun/good way to learn/p= ractice some Lojban.

lo si'o ciska
lo ro fa'orma'o cu
xanri fu'inai

The concept of writing
every terminator
is diffi= cult to imagine

Okay, first, I literally la= ughed when I read this one.

A note though: fu'inai= is an attitudinal, which means you have that attitude about whatever it is= attaching to. So, you're not saying that it's difficult to imagine, but ra= ther that you specifically have a difficult attitude towards imagining it. = This is difficult to explain since we don't have an equivalent word in Engl= ish.

Okay, so I'll try with one we do have a word for: {do g= leki.iu} is "You're happy [Happiness!]", or more long winded, "You're happy= [<-- I'm happy about this]".

I'd suggest {narfrili xanri} if you meant the former.
 
On Su= nday, January 6, 2013 6:17:04 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote:
Firstly, for= anyone who's interested in Haiku in general, there's a huge amount of (Eng= lish) Haiku at http://w= ww.haiku.com/

So, this week's APE is to write a haiku in Lojban.

Haiku are normally about nature, but all we're going to care about is t= hat it's in three lines; a line of 5 syllables, a line of 7 syllables, and = a final line of 5 syllables.

Lojban seems to me to be a language esp= ecially suited to haiku, so I imagine this APE will be especially fun one.<= br>
I made the effort of making both the English translation and the Lojban= be haiku,  but the rest of you don't have to if the English is diffic= ult to fit into haiku:

co'a lo vensa
lo cifxrula ba banro
ja'e lo nunmle

when the spring begins
the flower buds will blosso= m
and so comes beauty

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.
=
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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