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On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

> what exactly is the difference between difficult to imagine and the
> imagining being difficult?
>

Firstly, "zo'e xanri fu'inai" doesn't mean "zo'e is difficult to imagine",
nor does it mean "imagining zo'e is difficult". What it means is "zo'e is
imagined (by something) (, and the attitude I have about that is
'difficult')."

"zo'e xanri narfrili" means "zo'e is imagined type-of difficult", and does
mean "zo'e is difficult to imagine" and "imagining zo'e is difficult".

This is rather difficult to explain because English doesn't have a word
that means the same thing fu'i means. fu'i doesn't mean that something is
easy or hard (fu'inai), it means that person who is speaking has the
attitude of easy or hard.

This is why I used a UI we actually have a word for in English: happiness.

"do gleki" means "You're happy". "do gleki.ui" means "You're happy (, and
the attitude I have about that is 'happy')." Or, in other words, "I'm happy
that you're happy."


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> On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Ross Ogilvie <ross@rossogilvie.id.au> wrote:
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> It's more about the sentence structure and assertion. When you say
> "difficult to imagine", the main assertion is about the difficulty. In the
> sentence {lo si'o ciska lo ro fa'oma'o cu xanri} the main assertion (the
> selbri) is about imagining (xanri). Adding fu'inai after xanri is like
> huffing to indicate that you find the imaging is difficult.
>
> mu'o mi'e ros
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> On 12 January 2013 09:24, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Annie <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:park.annie@asb.gaggle.net" target=3D"_blank=
">park.annie@asb.gaggle.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto"><div>what exactly is the difference between difficult to =
imagine and the imagining being difficult?<br></div></div></blockquote><div=
><br>Firstly, &quot;zo&#39;e xanri fu&#39;inai&quot; doesn&#39;t mean &quot=
;zo&#39;e is difficult to imagine&quot;, nor does it mean &quot;imagining z=
o&#39;e is difficult&quot;. What it means is &quot;zo&#39;e is imagined (by=
 something) (, and the attitude I have about that is &#39;difficult&#39;).&=
quot;<br>
<br>&quot;zo&#39;e xanri narfrili&quot; means &quot;zo&#39;e is imagined ty=
pe-of difficult&quot;, and does mean &quot;zo&#39;e is difficult to imagine=
&quot; and &quot;imagining zo&#39;e is difficult&quot;.<br><br>This is rath=
er difficult to explain because English doesn&#39;t have a word that means =
the same thing fu&#39;i means. fu&#39;i doesn&#39;t mean that something is =
easy or hard (fu&#39;inai), it means that person who is speaking has the at=
titude of easy or hard.<br>
<br>This is why I used a UI we actually have a word for in English: happine=
ss.<br><br>&quot;do gleki&quot; means &quot;You&#39;re happy&quot;. &quot;d=
o gleki.ui&quot; means &quot;You&#39;re happy (, and the attitude I have ab=
out that is &#39;happy&#39;).&quot; Or, in other words, &quot;I&#39;m happy=
 that you&#39;re happy.&quot;<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div><br>Sent fro=
m my iPod</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:05 AM,=
 Ross Ogilvie &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ross@rossogilvie.id.au" target=3D"_blan=
k">ross@rossogilvie.id.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra">It&#39;s more about the sentence structure and assertion. When yo=
u say &quot;difficult to imagine&quot;, the main assertion is about the dif=
ficulty. In the sentence {lo si&#39;o ciska lo ro fa&#39;oma&#39;o cu xanri=
} the main assertion (the selbri) is about imagining (xanri). Adding fu&#39=
;inai after xanri is like huffing to indicate that you find the imaging is =
difficult.<br>


<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">mu&#39;o mi&#39;e ros<br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On 12 January 2013 09:24, Annie <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:park.annie@asb.gaggle.net" target=3D"_blank">park.annie@asb.gaggle.ne=
t</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
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