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On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Ross Ogilvie <ross@rossogilvie.id.au>wrote:
>
>> "difficult to imagine" is one assertion
>> The other one is first asserting that it is being imagined, and then also
>> saying you feeling that the imagining is difficult.
>>
> No. UI do not assert anything. They merely express the attitude of the
> speaker. This is why they are called "attitudinals". Their purpose is to
> easily convey the current emotional mindset of the speaker.
>

... as it pertains to what the speaker is saying.

 On 13/01/2013 12:48 PM, "Annie" <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
>>
>>> what exactly is the difference between difficult to imagine and the
>>> imagining being difficult?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Ross Ogilvie <ross@rossogilvie.id.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's more about the sentence structure and assertion. When you say
>>> "difficult to imagine", the main assertion is about the difficulty. In the
>>> sentence {lo si'o ciska lo ro fa'oma'o cu xanri} the main assertion (the
>>> selbri) is about imagining (xanri). Adding fu'inai after xanri is like
>>> huffing to indicate that you find the imaging is difficult.
>>>
>>> mu'o mi'e ros
>>>
>>> On 12 January 2013 09:24, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> e
>>>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Jonathan Jones =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 7:16 P=
M, Ross Ogilvie <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ross@rossogilvie.id=
.au" target=3D"_blank">ross@rossogilvie.id.au</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<p dir=3D"ltr">&quot;difficult to imagine&quot; is one assertion<br>
The other one is first asserting that it is being imagined, and then also s=
aying you feeling that the imagining is difficult. </p></blockquote></div><=
div>No. UI do not assert anything. They merely express the attitude of the =
speaker. This is why they are called &quot;attitudinals&quot;. Their purpos=
e is to easily convey the current emotional mindset of the speaker.<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>... as it pertains to what the speaker is=
 saying.<br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">
<div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 13/01/2013 12:48 PM, &quot;Annie&quot; &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:park.annie@asb.gaggle.net" target=3D"_blank">park.annie@asb=
.gaggle.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">


<div dir=3D"auto"><div>what exactly is the difference between difficult to =
imagine and the imagining being difficult?<br><br>Sent from my iPod</div><d=
iv><br>On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Ross Ogilvie &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ross=
@rossogilvie.id.au" target=3D"_blank">ross@rossogilvie.id.au</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>


<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra">It&#39;s more about the sentence structure and assertion. When yo=
u say &quot;difficult to imagine&quot;, the main assertion is about the dif=
ficulty. In the sentence {lo si&#39;o ciska lo ro fa&#39;oma&#39;o cu xanri=
} the main assertion (the selbri) is about imagining (xanri). Adding fu&#39=
;inai after xanri is like huffing to indicate that you find the imaging is =
difficult.<br>




<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">mu&#39;o mi&#39;e ros<br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On 12 January 2013 09:24, Annie <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:park.annie@asb.gaggle.net" target=3D"_blank">park.annie@asb.gaggle.ne=
t</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>




<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">e </blockquote></div><br><br></div></div>

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