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Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:24:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1bf6652a48604d251853d X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 10121 --e89a8ff1bf6652a48604d251853d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable to'i [ mi du ji'a la bi'u nai .aleks.] toi .i mi morji lo nu nitcu ja djica da poi rafsi lo su'u simxu kei ku ju'e ja'e bo lo nu morji fi lo filjvo liste .i ji'a simlu fi mi fe lo ka toltce .i je zoi ly. rodcre .ly. na drani lujv= o .i fanva fu zoi gy. =AB [I'm that same Alex] I remember needing/wanting a rafsi for reciprocity and then remembering the easy lujbo list. It seems short to me, and {rodcre} is not a proper lujvo. =BB .gy. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > .i zoi urli > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AomR512Z1i8MdFBRZnFPZml4Tn= NZZGpPdTNkQlVoSncurli > > .i doi la .aleks. mi .a'o gleki lo du'u do ba te pinka lo liste be lo'i > filjvo > > mu'o > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wr= ote: > >> ta'o cu'i doi .remod. mi pu ca'o sisku tu'a lo liste be lo frile lujvo .= i >> ma urli >> {Hey Remod, I've been looking for the easy lujvo list; what's the url?} >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: >> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Jacob Errington wro= te: >>> You've got it backwards :P It's {rodme'a} -> {mleca fi lo ka broda}. In >>> your example, the tertau of the veljvo suddenly became the seltau of th= e >>> actual meaning; that usually indicates naljvajvo >>> >>> >>> Not necessarily. A lujvo means what the lujvo maker makes it mean once >>> you define its structure, so it's a matter of agreeing on the meaning, >>> there's no right or wrong. For {mutce} I use {-tce} but for {mleca} I >>> prefer {mec-}. >>> >>> Of course I've no problem with {rodme'a} as {ko'a mleca ko'e lo ka brod= a >>> kei ko'i} but it has exactly the same sumti places as {mecybo'e} (as >>> defined in my previous message). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alex R >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --e89a8ff1bf6652a48604d251853d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
to'i [ mi du ji'a la bi'u nai .aleks.] toi
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.i mi morji= lo nu nitcu ja djica da poi rafsi lo su'u simxu kei ku ju'e ja'= ;e bo lo nu morji fi lo filjvo liste

.i ji= 'a simlu fi mi fe lo ka toltce .i je zoi ly. rodcre .ly. na drani lujvo=

.i fanva fu zoi gy. =AB
[I'= m that same Alex]

I remember needing/wanting a rafsi for reciprocity and then remembering= the easy lujbo list.

It seems short to me, and {rodcre} is not a pr= oper lujvo.
=BB .gy.

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>= wrote:
.i=A0 zoi urli https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AomR512Z1i8MdFBRZnFP= Zml4TnNZZGpPdTNkQlVoSnc urli

.i doi la .aleks. mi .a'o gleki lo du'u do ba te pinka lo liste= be lo'i filjvo

mu'o


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
ta'o cu'i doi = .remod. mi pu ca'o sisku tu'a lo liste be lo frile lujvo .i ma urli=
{Hey Remod, I've been looking for the easy lujvo list; what's= the url?}



On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at= 3:22 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
You've got it backwards :P It's {rodme'a} -> {mleca fi lo ka broda}. I= n=20 your example, the tertau of the veljvo suddenly became the seltau of the actual meaning; that usually indicates=A0 naljvajvo


Not necessarily. A lujvo means what the lujvo m= aker makes it mean once you define its structure, so it's a matter of a= greeing on the meaning, there's no right or wrong. For {mutce} I use {-= tce} but for {mleca} I prefer {mec-}.

Of course I've no problem with {ro= dme'a} as {ko'a mleca ko'e lo ka broda kei ko'i} but it has= exactly the same sumti places as {mecybo'e} (as defined in my previous= message).


<= br>


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