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Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:51:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b11190335236204d252bd81 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 14208 --047d7b11190335236204d252bd81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable me'ei zoi latmo. mea culpa .latmo. .i se ja'e bo mi morji co tikygau lo se jarco cmene .i da'i ko zgana lo ve mrilu "*mea culpa*, because I forgot to change the displayed name. Check the sender address." On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > .u'u doi .arpis. .i mi na sanji lo du'u la .aleks. du do > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:24 PM, .arpis. wrot= e: > >> to'i [ mi du ji'a la bi'u nai .aleks.] toi >> >> .i mi morji lo nu nitcu ja djica da poi rafsi lo su'u simxu kei ku ju'e >> ja'e bo lo nu morji fi lo filjvo liste >> >> .i ji'a simlu fi mi fe lo ka toltce .i je zoi ly. rodcre .ly. na drani >> lujvo >> >> .i fanva fu zoi gy. =AB >> [I'm that same Alex] >> >> I remember needing/wanting a rafsi for reciprocity and then remembering >> the easy lujbo list. >> >> It seems short to me, and {rodcre} is not a proper lujvo. >> =BB .gy. >> >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Remo Dentato wrote= : >> >>> .i zoi urli >>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AomR512Z1i8MdFBRZnFPZml4= TnNZZGpPdTNkQlVoSncurli >>> >>> .i doi la .aleks. mi .a'o gleki lo du'u do ba te pinka lo liste be lo'i >>> filjvo >>> >>> mu'o >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn = wrote: >>> >>>> ta'o cu'i doi .remod. mi pu ca'o sisku tu'a lo liste be lo frile lujvo >>>> .i ma urli >>>> {Hey Remod, I've been looking for the easy lujvo list; what's the url?= } >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Remo Dentato wrote= : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Jacob Errington w= rote: >>>>> You've got it backwards :P It's {rodme'a} -> {mleca fi lo ka broda}. >>>>> In your example, the tertau of the veljvo suddenly became the seltau = of the >>>>> actual meaning; that usually indicates naljvajvo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not necessarily. A lujvo means what the lujvo maker makes it mean onc= e >>>>> you define its structure, so it's a matter of agreeing on the meaning= , >>>>> there's no right or wrong. For {mutce} I use {-tce} but for {mleca} I >>>>> prefer {mec-}. >>>>> >>>>> Of course I've no problem with {rodme'a} as {ko'a mleca ko'e lo ka >>>>> broda kei ko'i} but it has exactly the same sumti places as {mecybo'e= } (as >>>>> defined in my previous message). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alex R >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --047d7b11190335236204d252bd81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
me'ei zoi latmo. mea culpa .latmo. .i se ja'e= bo mi morji co tikygau lo se jarco cmene .i da'i ko zgana lo ve mrilu<= br>
"mea culpa, because I forgot to change the display= ed name. Check the sender address."


On Wed,= Jan 2, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>= wrote:
.u'u doi .arpis. .i mi = na sanji lo du'u la .aleks. du do


On Wed, Jan 2= , 2013 at 6:24 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
to'i [ mi du ji'a l= a bi'u nai .aleks.] toi

.i mi morji lo nu nitcu ja djica da poi rafsi lo su'u simxu kei ku ju&#= 39;e ja'e bo lo nu morji fi lo filjvo liste

.i ji= 'a simlu fi mi fe lo ka toltce .i je zoi ly. rodcre .ly. na drani lujvo=

.i fanva fu zoi gy. =AB
[I'= m that same Alex]

I remember needing/wanting a rafsi for reciprocity and then remembering= the easy lujbo list.

It seems short to me, and {rodcre} is not a pr= oper lujvo.
=BB .gy.

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>= wrote:
.i=A0 zoi urli https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AomR512Z1i8MdFBRZnFP= Zml4TnNZZGpPdTNkQlVoSnc urli

.i doi la .aleks. mi .a'o gleki lo du'u do ba te pinka lo liste= be lo'i filjvo

mu'o


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
ta'o cu'i doi = .remod. mi pu ca'o sisku tu'a lo liste be lo frile lujvo .i ma urli=
{Hey Remod, I've been looking for the easy lujvo list; what's= the url?}



On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at= 3:22 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
You've got it backwards :P It's {rodme'a} -> {mleca fi lo ka broda}. I= n=20 your example, the tertau of the veljvo suddenly became the seltau of the actual meaning; that usually indicates=A0 naljvajvo


Not necessarily. A lujvo means what the lujvo m= aker makes it mean once you define its structure, so it's a matter of a= greeing on the meaning, there's no right or wrong. For {mutce} I use {-= tce} but for {mleca} I prefer {mec-}.

Of course I've no problem with {ro= dme'a} as {ko'a mleca ko'e lo ka broda kei ko'i} but it has= exactly the same sumti places as {mecybo'e} (as defined in my previous= message).


<= br>


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