Received: from mail-vc0-f192.google.com ([209.85.220.192]:49480) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqV4G-0001Nr-28; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:37:48 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f192.google.com with SMTP id l6sf6985239vcl.9 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:37:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=9oyzucT6Jod5bA0wQ4DQdXk7lDE1zS5XfvJ6JZ2BJSg=; b=vhfB43oJAmZb5SjHTTXXM3QSnDZ2od9a4xflFzgxShYyaeS+zxt4Qg9N++RSJOw1A4 OaiM+y2nYunzrTOEWoNmq3FOQWIQ3ejjpvSQksjT0FfdYkfb3DZgGiJ5gBa1zeFH9HhT dq8MtI0DDslM4C5kRvUSB4/pEVwMN042NSAIk3QjlDrr91dAGNZS1RfoVLY+kncoPHa4 wm63ZnKRR+Q573Auk7xhGv5aK9u/WtGBH57DiHGRwHhWOQ+grB0yO8RJVDv2cRSnnpIS 2rXUPQTDjvsWtW7r29FVkVFXYmyqL7n6+doLRLx489Xv05pCvdCbjtrdOSpxT4CGqnq1 M5WQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=9oyzucT6Jod5bA0wQ4DQdXk7lDE1zS5XfvJ6JZ2BJSg=; b=XOxvipvXm4uXgevDSDQ6td/gRDaacS1avrBVqW9nDtP/P8GdPFBmoAFerazjnEYq7R 9ievK80MzYrLhYJIsCwniIQ1egboiLVneFPFlZhmydW8uDlJlPHmrb/Zm9/b+05TxDQy H3pJzMWD46/zeYHBJ7206JcXxD6GYOBWVe0m9yU8/va3wQyCw5T7ayCQhMYHhOfxFt7j nnANwhLt9h+SzHLI87PZ9lpb4FyUl60sHgpHecZAPzIZA+BucestChr4cdah/261fCMQ SDIHM/BVWiR4bRa73zwMaEMCueTx2eG3otlGFRj+cpx6aPGm8eQqCBQolGqb3zatbIel hrkw== X-Received: by 10.50.33.171 with SMTP id s11mr13034909igi.13.1357159053129; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:37:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.100.234 with SMTP id fb10ls10971811igb.41.gmail; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:37:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.43.94.65 with SMTP id bx1mr33022053icc.26.1357159052514; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:37:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.43.94.65 with SMTP id bx1mr33022052icc.26.1357159052494; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wu4si4960012igb.3.2013.01.02.12.37.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.169; Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id v19so13325703obq.0 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:37:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.42.97 with SMTP id n1mr37693839obl.91.1357159052355; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:37:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Should/Ought From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93998eb38280204d254378f X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4497 --14dae93998eb38280204d254378f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. wrote: > ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva zo'oi > should fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should go to > the gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi > > "I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it again: How > does one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to the gym" > (Damned "zoi" rules))? > With gismu: mi bilga lonu citka With attitudinal (although I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement on this one): mi citka.ei > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai= mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi g= y. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo= zoi javni toi toi

"I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so= , I ask it again: How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I s= hould eat", "I should go to the gym" (Damned "zoi"= rules))?

With gismu:

mi bilga lonu = citka


With attitudinal (although I wouldn't be surprised if = there's disagreement on this one):

mi citka.ei
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mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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