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The > problem is that mleca2 is the term of comparison. > Yes, in the case of rodme'a, it would be {mleca fi lo [ka/ni] broda}, hence the need for minor adjustments depending on the actual gismu in use. > In the list I made I try to accound for the difference in sumti places. > Writing down the gloss in Lojban makes clear how each one shouldbe used > > Maybe those changes in my list are the "adjustments" you mentioned? > > remo > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Remo Dentato <= rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus= @gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Remo Dentato <<= a href=3D"mailto:rdentato@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
You're not suggesting that the same rule applies = to {-me'a}, right?

Basically, yes.


Ok, but if (following the = {-gau} pattern)
=A0 =A0=20 {ko'a rodme'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a}
mean= s
=A0=A0=A0 {ko'a mleca lo su'u ko'e=20 broda ko'i k'o' ko'u fo'a}

I fail to understand= how something may be less than an abstraction. The problem is that mleca2 = is the term of comparison.

Yes, in the= case of rodme'a, it would be {mleca fi lo [ka/ni] broda}, hence the ne= ed for minor adjustments depending on the actual gismu in use.
=A0
In the list I made I try to accou= nd for the difference in sumti places. Writing down the gloss in Lojban mak= es clear how each one shouldbe used

Maybe= those changes in my list are the "adjustments" you mentioned?
remo

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