Received: from mail-qa0-f55.google.com ([209.85.216.55]:44932) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TvVfp-0005AA-GN; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:16 -0800 Received: by mail-qa0-f55.google.com with SMTP id l8sf943729qaq.0 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=oLnZK3ynz3RmXZAqudQbwdvRJYFlivS7U3NX1wwftjw=; b=TZkunDMqBlZGJOfEB1Lkcy8UDCLLStHqOENp6UAN2kgWnNNLhKFHMyxCNcT+q0uAxp Z9FfsLYxx7JDPJdv2YS/9pV6pMt5M+RxLLG/S0J0xiGrH9zEyTwpejlHMGjJDlPTmdJC xrRsSmSu3dUK2cGip67xNCajyqcz+5txu3oQjff9fHXr7ZD2Y4XTlqy1odq8Dz+DIAP7 YnvgSVLoiShOF1Sicn+ipAwwYa40Rj/QnzBKPRqAR0W5aLXL2YeCxOpj8kK7O07mLNNY 0Ur5x3LpjUR3xqgoqCtJ16pOSHWNSqTSaPEBTVrJY6taQjLNHQL6noP7k8WfYiuNMqkX wMEA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=oLnZK3ynz3RmXZAqudQbwdvRJYFlivS7U3NX1wwftjw=; b=xXgURBIA/dN43t+ZEqTzBf0mgRPtLNM/IPJAZjbAshRe7n+wl7ue4z7kawt2hDtva4 NPijROLrGGbcgJc9xqVQGMEEOvl5W2oPKU0NC037Ebc58/+xY8isu9GDiziIZoW5vRVe GCKs0wXms7IAa5wY+0hYi3fiRbrAq1XldFmxW2SwEXf6A4jTosHlI04P3uj1UVA6V+bY ex4XFN9KcbnaI68AG3Vq2+s8uaaAI1fl6FF66J9Cj2xUAz/svxdgWJyOVZjh92PBpLDe 4kONhIW4cyHb/+B9L0bGgUzeay1T1xDKNFz6QNzXYhTk+wJ9+pxflowygitEjV2Ugp3e vE/w== X-Received: by 10.50.217.201 with SMTP id pa9mr552550igc.17.1358353022677; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:02 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.88.130 with SMTP id bg2ls1228478igb.25.gmail; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.156.165 with SMTP id wf5mr1367304igb.0.1358353022232; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.156.165 with SMTP id wf5mr1367303igb.0.1358353022217; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c8si197391igp.0.2013.01.16.08.17.02 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.52; Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o6so1605574oag.11 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.54.103 with SMTP id i7mr1248566obp.62.1358353021961; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.186.98 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <0bc3d0ff-e08c-4d6a-ab1d-c83b9821fb5d@x20g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:17:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: APE (Audience Participation Exercise): Lojbanic words of wisdom From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93a113d5a856404d36a35f5 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4321 --14dae93a113d5a856404d36a35f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > lo nu zerle'a ku cu nu zerle'a sera'a lo fepni be li mu .a lo sicni be fi >> lo fepni be li mu >> > --gejyspa >> > > I'm fairly sure you missed a terminator, also including one that wasn't > required: > lo nu zerle'a cu nu zerle'a se ra'a lo fepni be li mu ku .a lo sicni be fi > lo fepni be li mu > The idea itself doesn't really make sense to me: "To steal is to steal in > regards to 5 cents or the coin whose value is 5 cents. > > mi'e la latro'a mu'o You are correct. I forgot that "li mu" would be considered the argument of "a" In any case, the original English version is "Stealing is stealing, whether it's five cents or a nickel" This caused us kids to snicker. My mother admitted she meant to say "...a dime", but we always liked the as-said version better and used it often. And we have tried to always live by it and impart to our children the importance of being scrupulous to not take more than they are entitled, even by accident (i.e. undercharged by a merchant, or given too much change from a purchase) --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Tue, Jan 15= , 2013 at 6:38 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>= wrote:
lo nu zerle'a ku cu nu zerle'a sera'a lo fepni be li mu .a= lo sicni be fi lo fepni be li mu
=A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa
I'm fairly sure you missed a terminator, also including one tha= t wasn't required:
lo nu zerle'a cu nu zerle'a se ra'a lo fepni be li mu ku .a lo = sicni be fi lo fepni be li mu
The idea itself doesn't really make se= nse to me: "To steal is to steal in regards to 5 cents or the coin who= se value is 5 cents.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o
=A0

=A0 You are correct. =A0I forgot that "li mu" would be conside= red the argument of "a"=A0

=A0 =A0 =A0 In any case, the or= iginal English version is "Stealing is stealing, whether it's five= cents or a nickel" =A0This caused us kids to snicker. =A0My mother ad= mitted she meant to say "...a dime", but we always liked the as-s= aid version better and used it often. =A0And we have tried to always live b= y it and impart to our children the importance of being scrupulous to not t= ake more than they are entitled, even by accident (i.e. undercharged by a m= erchant, or given too much change from a purchase) =A0

=A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

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