Received: from mail-ea0-f183.google.com ([209.85.215.183]:56727) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tvj27-0001vL-4H; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:33:08 -0800 Received: by mail-ea0-f183.google.com with SMTP id l12sf905812eaa.20 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:32:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=aJgCpdu0/+JCQxfnkY0Lj5mDS+IGQyI9u8nL7ZNFDVA=; b=TEKth5t+d8SWDQ/IgDBnCtBymOTR9fnFCIwLrad4p9jUAmfjbzO5rVxiKxPHVaAlts Gi+CAqcauVKQqzNj163z42svjkT0fRItirSbAhtiK7kAQb5I2TLiDBY1K+oMTTSyaJGc pMlqERzh/d01egqdcmisq5ljwgFvrKboi2qtVzfTKWXdWzVbTv96HN2vPND+7xfOvEMS tgX78awAYIh0TueOI3mzQhLS972Ofqnt6gtrT9w9I7dZtFd86H15GxsEF+cN829yuShd Jghpx8aEn676lI66hRIKOddT7ejhz9QUulRjRJpJ0/QY2GM2h/aR8MFVzWuQvgg1yg4x gxWw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=aJgCpdu0/+JCQxfnkY0Lj5mDS+IGQyI9u8nL7ZNFDVA=; b=WNGVInZd8TytiyvXNUn0Umxw24U8H+k6gynhXsDzBi4rF7MNVlDT1iCTJsw52kK7B0 zybVrkLa25XEI5p8rjedHax+FKaT/A1pIAehgSDfyiShEKkteI0u5VhDBwXBn0FwcvgJ tMFR8jFyEPC1sXITxHKHmGpru6ROAdrZ/lMiBgyBqlP6g5lToDVOAkOP/9TzFkVem62D pO+Fi7O9C0a2FI7AsAFu1WSO7Mgm2Ka6LUTtSNM8nE9zm7IT9knONgGcUjPLDe28vMdl upA6zt4c0b5oE+zEbBsE5wD0PTtVNbbTPDPR5moV8RblHatYz8z3sSd8pFL5xHAofcnE 9W9A== X-Received: by 10.180.79.72 with SMTP id h8mr975785wix.5.1358404375314; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:32:55 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.75.102 with SMTP id b6ls2929824wiw.19.canary; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:32:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.146.25 with SMTP id f25mr159236bkv.1.1358404373843; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:32:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.146.25 with SMTP id f25mr159235bkv.1.1358404373831; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e21si34462bkv.2.2013.01.16.22.32.53 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.180; Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id gj3so1604083lbb.39 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:32:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.14.169 with SMTP id q9mr1696885lbc.110.1358404373489; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:32:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.68.46 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:32:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1584979.QmhfcDl2gM@caracal> References: <1584979.QmhfcDl2gM@caracal> From: Jacob Errington Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 01:32:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: APE (Audience Participation Exercise): Lojbanic words of wisdom To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1822 On 16 January 2013 14:01, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:17:01 Michael Turniansky wrote: >> In any case, the original English version is "Stealing is stealing, >> whether it's five cents or a nickel" This caused us kids to snicker. My >> mother admitted she meant to say "...a dime", but we always liked the >> as-said version better and used it often. And we have tried to always live >> by it and impart to our children the importance of being scrupulous to not >> take more than they are entitled, even by accident (i.e. undercharged by a >> merchant, or given too much change from a purchase) > > As Lojban doesn't have a short word for "a nickel", how about this?: > > lo nu zerle'a cu nu zerle'a .iju decru'u je'i kau dekfepni > That top-level je'ikau seems off for more than one reason; why not just "jo nai" ? You could argue, however, that logically connected bridi are inside "implicit abstractions" (cf {kanxe} and {vlina}; there aren't really any decent selbri counterparts to the O and U functions though). Then again, I'm not sure how much sense indirect questions make inside these connective abstractions. Anyway, I do have something constructive to say with regard to this thread though :) .i mi vedli lo li'i no'a (Or for the non-vedli people: {.i mi morji lo du'u no'a} "I remember remembering remembering..." It's only as recursive as you want it to be :) .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.