Received: from mail-wi0-f188.google.com ([209.85.212.188]:44176) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TxKUG-0004lE-6x; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:44:55 -0800 Received: by mail-wi0-f188.google.com with SMTP id hn3sf2764947wib.5 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:44:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:date:from :to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=FUAMSSF+i4kCkKhESEgkL2fb9XwpvTjV8m7mOy9Z31o=; b=m56zuGnCOvk9JNMPOuB5aO/+hl1wjiuMOJnvxadwRm2hl1Q0RFgM6sLXFtPnjq/r7o atSG5rlNpAlVBbLkYlQ7Po7PQyE2Z64PlQUoN/mpYshaJlwsHQOUinV6ECYRrfUVRIzh oee7WLl7IDTlPejOK1H83t/2flk1iEpW4fRwd33dLXZ4pVRJa3aFYh96KWh1rA2+m+CB Q2J20uEQU5CzX7ISGFy9mvPPKCvwMoPeljKBAMK6NP4PoAvp160S94N2NJxglS4sbK6R FCrLIobCz0CkusVADJq/HlP4kSUX0JF0aHs93x0v5C5aYEIoeWLimrRUb/IwNzJsQBYU pGzg== X-Received: by 10.180.91.38 with SMTP id cb6mr2411978wib.7.1358786676446; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:44:36 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.73.147 with SMTP id l19ls1336709wiv.24.canary; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:44:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.174.68 with SMTP id w44mr21374953eel.4.1358786675859; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:44:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.174.68 with SMTP id w44mr21374951eel.4.1358786675847; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9si4344133eeo.1.2013.01.21.08.44.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc2b01.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.43.1]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CE783865067 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:44:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:44:34 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban-beginners] On "by standard x" Message-ID: <20130121164434.GB4839@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8NvZYKFJsRX2Djef" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 914 --8NvZYKFJsRX2Djef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline coi rodo One of the many things about lojban which puzzle me lately are all these "by standard x" places. Take {fenki} for example which is defined as x1 (action/event) is crazy/insane/mad/frantic/in a frenzy (one sense) by standard x2 Given that definition, what does {tu'a ko'a fenki mi} mean? Does it mean ko'a is crazy in my opinion, or does it mean ko'a is crazy when compared to me? Phrasing it differently, which standard do these places represent: A standard of _judgement_ or a standard of _comparison_? mi'e la .van. mu'o --8NvZYKFJsRX2Djef Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlD9cHIACgkQMBKLZs4+wjzp8wCfe5hkLAolbc8tOlpyNBTtT1B/ uMsAn3lbXd+acUgHrvxLhDaqqAuAq6Z5 =8BCh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8NvZYKFJsRX2Djef--