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My understanding is that the "by standard" places are manri, and that we
don't really know what a manri is except that they are not concrete. An
ideal solution would be that manri are ka, functions that say whether the
se manri apply. This is clumsy in practice, however; for example I can't
come up with a practical fenki2 of this type.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:

> coi rodo
>
> One of the many things about lojban which puzzle me lately
> are all these "by standard x" places.
>
> Take {fenki} for example which is defined as
>
> x1 (action/event) is crazy/insane/mad/frantic/in a
> frenzy (one sense) by standard x2
>
> Given that definition, what does {tu'a ko'a fenki mi} mean?
>
> Does it mean ko'a is crazy in my opinion,
> or does it mean ko'a is crazy when compared to me?
>
> Phrasing it differently, which standard
> do these places represent: A standard of _judgement_
> or a standard of _comparison_?
>
>
> mi'e la .van. mu'o
>

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My understanding is that the &quot;by standard&quot; places are manri, and =
that we don&#39;t really know what a manri is except that they are not conc=
rete. An ideal solution would be that manri are ka, functions that say whet=
her the se manri apply. This is clumsy in practice, however; for example I =
can&#39;t come up with a practical fenki2 of this type.<br>
<br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M=
on, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM, v4hn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
me@v4hn.de" target=3D"_blank">me@v4hn.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">
coi rodo<br>
<br>
One of the many things about lojban which puzzle me lately<br>
are all these &quot;by standard x&quot; places.<br>
<br>
Take {fenki} for example which is defined as<br>
<br>
x1 (action/event) is crazy/insane/mad/frantic/in a<br>
frenzy (one sense) by standard x2<br>
<br>
Given that definition, what does {tu&#39;a ko&#39;a fenki mi} mean?<br>
<br>
Does it mean ko&#39;a is crazy in my opinion,<br>
or does it mean ko&#39;a is crazy when compared to me?<br>
<br>
Phrasing it differently, which standard<br>
do these places represent: A standard of _judgement_<br>
or a standard of _comparison_?<br>
<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la .van. mu&#39;o<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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