=A0 We do actually have a word/words in English that trans= lates as "fu'inai": Oof! Grrrr!, etc...

=A0 But back t= o pemcrxaiku

=A0 I had previously done two lojban haiku = (although never before translated into English):

lo xekri boxfo
co vofli cu murta fe
lo manku tsani

(The flying black sheet

=A0Is a curtain obscuring

=A0The darkened heavens.)

(composed when I saw huge numbers of crows flying overhead= )

=A0And

lo ko selsne cu
cr= ipu fi lo prulamdei
ro lo bavlamdei

(Become the dreamer

Of spans between yesterday

And all tomorrows)

=A0 Bu= t, since is a new project, I will not shirk from writing a new one.

le'e po'onai=A0

labnypre cu se catra

lei = rijno danti

(Not only werewolves

=A0Have their existence ended=A0

=A0By silver bullets.)

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa<= /div>

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Ian J= ohnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

This depends significantly on the UI in question, as the BPFK pages on this= subject make clear. The most important thing that makes UI truth-functiona= lly relevant is whether an attitudinal is realis or irrealis. {ui} is reali= s; when you say {broda ui} you still claim {broda} and are saying you'r= e happy about it. {.a'o} is irrealis; when you say {broda .a'o} you= don't claim {broda}, you say you hope that {broda} happens without say= ing whether it does.

Note that unlike in the ma'oste, as I recall every UI is= explicitly described as realis/irrealis on their BPFK page, perhaps with s= ome exceptions in the form of obviously-realis words like {ui}.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Jonathan = Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Jan = 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Ross Ogilvie <ross@rossogilvie.id.au> wrote:

"difficult to imagine" is one assertion
The other one is first asserting that it is being imagined, and then also s= aying you feeling that the imagining is difficult.
<= div>No. UI do not assert anything. They merely express the attitude of the = speaker. This is why they are called "attitudinals". Their purpos= e is to easily convey the current emotional mindset of the speaker.
=A0

On 13/01/2013 12:48 PM, "Annie" <park.annie@asb= .gaggle.net> wrote:

what exactly is the difference between difficult to = imagine and the imagining being difficult?

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Ross Ogilvie <ross@rossogilvie.id.au> wrote:=

It's more about the sentence structure and assertion. When yo= u say "difficult to imagine", the main assertion is about the dif= ficulty. In the sentence {lo si'o ciska lo ro fa'oma'o cu xanri= } the main assertion (the selbri) is about imagining (xanri). Adding fu'= ;inai after xanri is like huffing to indicate that you find the imaging is = difficult.

mu'o mi'e ros

On 12 January 2013 09:24, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.ne= t> wrote:

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