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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1ee6eacad2004d4749681 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 6418 --e89a8fb1ee6eacad2004d4749681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > On 29 January 2013 12:20, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> parbi loni mitre loni snidu >>> >>> pab - tre - nid >>> >> >> Sorry, quantity not property. >> >> > A zi'evla might be better than a lujvo in this instance, if only because >> the rafsi suck. >> > > A zi'evla is actually a must, because the lujvo couldn't have the desired > place structure, "x1 measures x2 meters per second (by standard x3)". > Um, no. My example couldn't be used for that at all: {li vo parbi loni mitre ku loni snidu} = "5 m/s", which would be the x2 of the above. > Even if you throw jvajvo out the window completely, there's some serious > place structure craziness going on if one were to assign parbi zei mitre > zei snidu that definition. (Also, the lujvo should have parbi *last* > because its the main claim.) > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jacob Errington= <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 29 January 2013 12:20, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.= com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jonathan Jones= <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
A zi'evla might be better than a lujvo = in this instance, if only because the rafsi suck.
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A zi'evla is actually a must, because the lujv= o couldn't have the desired place structure, "x1 measures x2 meter= s per second (by standard x3)".

Um, no. My example couldn't be used for tha= t at all: {li vo parbi loni mitre ku loni snidu} =3D "5 m/s", whi= ch would be the x2 of the above.
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Even if you throw jvajvo out the window completely, there&#= 39;s some serious place structure craziness going on if one were to assign = parbi zei mitre zei snidu that definition. (Also, the lujvo should have par= bi *last* because its the main claim.)=A0

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