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On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:20:12 PM UTC+4, Michael Turniansky wrote:
>
>   The lack of a word meaning "not open for business" has been a topic of=
=20
> discussion many many times in lojban's history.  Really, I'm not sure why=
=20
> there isn't a gismu for it, since it seems to be a very basic concept.=20
>  That would be very high on personal list for a gismu should baselining=
=20
> ever be released.
>

ba'anai do jbocre doi la gejyspa i seki'u bo ma'a bilga lo nu jundi lo nu=
=20
jinvi fa do i ji'a la camgusmis pu cusku fi mi fe zoi gy I disagree with=20
your words "Think 1000 times before creating new gismu" gy
i seki'ubo e'o do zbasu so'o lo glico xe fanva mupli be lo gismu poi se=20
smuni simsa zoi gy not open for business gy i ce'o bo mi stidi tu'a lo=20
cnino gse bacru

I remember you being a jbocre. Therefore, we should take your words into=20
account. Besides, Robin told me once " I disagree with your words "Think=20
1000 times before creating new gismu".
Therefore, please create several english examples of the meaning "not open=
=20
for business" or similar to it. Then I'll suggest a new gismu (it's=20
sounding).

=20

>
>   In any event, if you really think about it, a case could be made for=20
> "spofu (be lo nu cuntu)" for this sense of "closed", since it's not=20
> available for its normal purpose.  Another possibility is "se dicra"
>                            --gejyspa
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, jongausib <so.co...@gmail.com<javascrip=
t:>
> > wrote:
>
>> I suggest:
>>
>> {cu'urga'o}: g1 (entrance-way/store/company etc) is closed/shut/not open=
,=20
>> preventing access to organized activity g2=3Dc1, by g3.
>> {cu'urkalri}: k1 (portal/passage/entrance-way) is open/ajar/not shut,=20
>> permitting passage/access to g2=3Dk1, by g3.
>>
>> /jongausib
>>
>> Den m=E5ndagen den 21:e januari 2013 kl. 19:04:39 UTC+1 skrev mudri:
>>
>>> My school was closed due to snow today. I attempted to express that fac=
t=20
>>> in Lojban (with a few extras), but got stuck on describing that kind of=
=20
>>> "closed". There are two other words for different senses of the word=20
>>> ({ganlo} =3D closed passageway; {tolgubni} =3D closed group/source &c),=
 but=20
>>> there's a bit more to a closed school/shop than the windows and doors b=
eing=20
>>> closed.
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<br><br>On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:20:12 PM UTC+4, Michael Turniansky=
 wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.=
8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;=
 The lack of a word meaning "not open for business" has been a topic of dis=
cussion many many times in lojban's history. &nbsp;Really, I'm not sure why=
 there isn't a gismu for it, since it seems to be a very basic concept. &nb=
sp;That would be very high on personal list for a gismu should baselining e=
ver be released.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>ba'anai do jbocre do=
i la gejyspa i seki'u bo ma'a bilga lo nu jundi lo nu jinvi fa do i ji'a la=
 camgusmis pu cusku fi mi fe zoi gy I disagree with your words "Think 1000 =
times before creating new gismu" gy</div><div>i seki'ubo e'o do zbasu so'o =
lo glico xe fanva mupli be lo gismu poi se smuni simsa zoi gy not open for =
business gy i ce'o bo mi stidi tu'a lo cnino gse bacru<br></div><div><br></=
div><div>I remember you being a jbocre. Therefore, we should take your word=
s into account. Besides, Robin told me once "&nbsp;I disagree with your wor=
ds "Think 1000 times before creating new gismu".</div><div>Therefore, pleas=
e create several english examples of the meaning "not open for business" or=
 similar to it. Then I'll suggest a new gismu (it's sounding).</div><div><b=
r></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div>
<br></div><div>&nbsp; In any event, if you really think about it, a case co=
uld be made for "spofu (be lo nu cuntu)" for this sense of "closed", since =
it's not available for its normal purpose. &nbsp;Another possibility is "se=
 dicra"</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;--gejyspa</div><div><br></div><div><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, jongausib <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"okB=
e1fm2sRwJ">so.co...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I suggest:<br><br>{cu'urga'o}: g1 (entrance-=
way/store/company etc) is closed/shut/not open, preventing access to organi=
zed activity g<sub>2=3Dc1,</sub> by g<sub>3</sub>.<br>
{cu'urkalri}: k<sub>1</sub> (portal/passage/entrance-way) is open/ajar/not =
shut, permitting passage/access to <sub>g2=3Dk1,</sub> by g<sub>3</sub>.<br=
><br>/jongausib<br><br>Den m=E5ndagen den 21:e januari 2013 kl. 19:04:39 UT=
C+1 skrev mudri:<div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">My school was closed due to snow to=
day. I attempted to express that fact in Lojban (with a few extras), but go=
t stuck on describing that kind of "closed". There are two other words for =
different senses of the word ({ganlo} =3D closed passageway; {tolgubni} =3D=
 closed group/source &amp;c), but there's a bit more to a closed school/sho=
p than the windows and doors being closed.</blockquote>


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