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I'm editing a flash card deck of lojban words for my own use, and one of
the things that's struck me is how often gismu constrain the kinds of
things in a position.

Most of the time the constraint makes sense (at least in a "sure, I can see
it" kind of way) but as I find more gismu where a position is defined as
being a person or an event (and all the ones that are {ka}) when the other
way might make sense, I begin to wonder more and more why (or if?) the
suggested kinds for a place aren't merely a guidance.

For example, I'm just looking at

jenca: x1 (event) shocks/stuns x2

What would be the problem with "do jenca mi"?  I suppose there's some
elided abstraction that I could use in the x1 place to mean "some event
related to you" - but why would that be neccesary?

Or do I misunderstand - is the point that jenca describes a shock related
to an event, and *therefore* "do jenca" implies that you did something
shocking on the face of it?

If it's the latter, are the other abstraction requirements (and other
implied types) likewise looser than I imagine?

Judson

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m editing a flash card deck of lojban words for my o=
wn use, and one of the things that&#39;s struck me is how often gismu const=
rain the kinds of things in a position.<div><br></div><div style>Most of th=
e time the constraint makes sense (at least in a &quot;sure, I can see it&q=
uot; kind of way) but as I find more gismu where a position is defined as b=
eing a person or an event (and all the ones that are {ka}) when the other w=
ay might make sense, I begin to wonder more and more why (or if?) the sugge=
sted kinds for a place aren&#39;t merely a guidance.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>For example, I&#39;m just looking at</div><=
div style><br></div><div style>jenca:=A0<span style=3D"font-family:Arial;fo=
nt-size:12px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">x1 (event) shocks/stuns x2</span></div><div =
style>
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></spa=
n></div><div style><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;color:rg=
b(0,0,0)">What would be the problem with &quot;do jenca mi&quot;? =A0I supp=
ose there&#39;s some elided abstraction that I could use in the x1 place to=
 mean &quot;some event related to you&quot; - but why would that be neccesa=
ry?</span></div>
<div style><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,0,0)=
"><br></span></div><div style><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12=
px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Or do I misunderstand - is the point that jenca descri=
bes a shock related to an event, and *therefore* &quot;do jenca&quot; impli=
es that you did something shocking on the face of it?</span></div>
<div style><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,0,0)=
"><br></span></div><div style><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12=
px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">If it&#39;s the latter, are the other abstraction requ=
irements (and other implied types) likewise looser than I imagine?</span></=
div>
<div style><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;color:rgb(0,0,0)=
"><br></span></div><div style><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12=
px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Judson</span></div></div>

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