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Since we are looking for a term to equate to a judge saying: "In the case of (variable) find in the case of (variable) this judgment (variable). So: *"mi tavpai*" appears to work for this. mi'e brais On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:33 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Lee Carlson wrote: > >> I've been looking for a lujvo that will mean: x1 rules/speaks in judgment >> on x2 with regard to x3 by custom/law x4, and have created *paitva*, as >> a construct of *pajni* x1 referees/arbitrates/is a judge >> determining/deciding matter x2 (abstract) and *tavla* x1 talks/speaks to >> x2 about x3 in language x4. Would this be correct, or even approximate? Or >> is there a better construction perhaps *ta'apai*? >> >> The rafsi for pajni is pai, and for tavla are tav ta'a, so "paitva" is > not a valid lujvo, since tva is not a rafsi for tavla (nor can it be for > any gismu: the "-tv-" is a disallowed consonant combination because of > different voicing). It could be pairta'a or pairtavla (with an r-hyphen) or > pajnyta'a or pajnytavla. > Instead of ta'apai, which falls apart (there's no consonant cluster in the > first 5 letters), you can use ta'arpai (with r-hyphen) or tavypai (voicing > differences again, requiring y-hyphen). Longer lujvo are also possible: > tavlypai, tavlypajni, ta'arpajni. > I don't know whether the choice of lujvo or its definition is any good, > but these are the possible forms it can take. > > stevo > >> -- >> The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --bcaec54ee224755ac804d58c0da4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you. Since we are looking for a term to equate to a judge saying: &qu= ot;In the case of (variable) find in the case of (variable) this judgment (= variable). So: "mi tavpai" appears to work for this.

mi'e brais

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 a= t 10:33 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 a= t 11:14 AM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been looking for a lujvo that will mean: x1 rules/speaks in judgme= nt on x2 with regard to x3 by custom/law x4, and have created paitva= , as a construct of pajni x1 referees/arbitrates/is a judge determin= ing/deciding matter x2 (abstract) and tavla x1 talks/speaks to x2 ab= out x3 in language x4. Would this be correct, or even approximate? Or is th= ere a better construction perhaps ta'apai?

The rafsi for pajni is pai, and f= or tavla are tav ta'a, so "paitva" is not a valid lujvo, sinc= e tva is not a rafsi for tavla (nor can it be for any gismu: the "-tv-= " is a disallowed consonant combination because of different voicing).= It could be pairta'a or pairtavla (with an r-hyphen) or pajnyta'a = or pajnytavla.
Instead of ta'apai, which falls apart (there's no consonant cl= uster in the first 5 letters), you can use ta'arpai (with r-hyphen) or = tavypai (voicing differences again, requiring y-hyphen). Longer lujvo are a= lso possible: tavlypai, tavlypajni, ta'arpajni.=A0
I don't know whether the choice of lujvo or its definition is any = good, but these are the possible forms it can take.=A0

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