Received: from mail-gh0-f187.google.com ([209.85.160.187]:35796) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U5M9d-0003nh-GM; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:44 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f187.google.com with SMTP id 16sf2757450ghy.4 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=M3ZOlCukPWzC298JI1YBENCM9oAWEHZwMTLJhg4lOFg=; b=d9hkFpO/dunLFboIzsQc3IkNs5a5qaJxq6yAVPimjjQZAQMUkydFLQsyzf4SIwvjrH JXFuoTYkjq5Xq3D7W8Zs1sZ2ny/BgK4GESXwsgGjHXAcuw3CPAqVooJEjjmReQuC5wND xVk4o58rwYCsw31MOcMPCxW64ZTXjdSSknXOBmzRlYZCpAIqHYWdxBC475UluUfpGEdR i+oC1Sjb78+uiXiSjXFRuq+AfGJICKWWuzINYqdtz4elUjeM6RceJwwuuCfZ5EjA1IhY ttFlVo4Fo6NWSOhAXarhNqtQjVM3pvXxoLUYLbJrLY4LHptc6+A06EUry8Yk8MJwZsP+ pMkw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=M3ZOlCukPWzC298JI1YBENCM9oAWEHZwMTLJhg4lOFg=; b=CQbZADalzKWfJ/OtgV1Vrb2ieoKHsdOgECiKJr2GBF76DaoSaqUid4wnKgzrjyJ3bQ IquvJW+f8bCCkZIHCZKZ5RHY0JbWnljcPQHwNRclx1ckq7OoJjkhnCmuBaA4EU98HwDq JnK6NjG6X0RqI8ObTDkqtPNMz0PODbo2C6UsJn8R1nD6c9fzel2gPUKWHvrLpoV+MG6y DVj/Erui1JKOzNNlqOYAvz2s7OzpGWwk+SM1naNae6gA9pCGe0/4QO96vR5tMdgzORUy oIruPsw6f5O5oVooyqUB/IBDsb4BOunyBvYlg9URJAWQYtUlG9Mfz04ZxXswugjNPsqz ZxkQ== X-Received: by 10.50.236.40 with SMTP id ur8mr180383igc.6.1360699710527; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.151.234 with SMTP id ut10ls277269igb.31.gmail; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.43.15.68 with SMTP id pt4mr14653010icb.13.1360699709772; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.43.15.68 with SMTP id pt4mr14653009icb.13.1360699709751; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ia0-x22f.google.com (mail-ia0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j19si1978056iga.2.2013.02.12.12.08.29 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22f; Received: by mail-ia0-f175.google.com with SMTP id r4so440530iaj.20 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.41.165 with SMTP id g5mr5974408igl.66.1360699709560; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.194.193 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:08:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:08:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question from a beginner From: Remo Dentato To: lojban-beginners X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f6fd59a8b04d58c96c7 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 10633 --14dae9340f6fd59a8b04d58c96c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "tavpai" it's not a valid lujvo either. The correct form is {tavypai} since "vp" is not an allowed consonant pair. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Lee Carlson wrote: > Thank you. Since we are looking for a term to equate to a judge saying: > "In the case of (variable) find in the case of (variable) this judgment > (variable). So: *"mi tavpai*" appears to work for this. > > mi'e brais > > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:33 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Lee Carlson wrote: >> >>> I've been looking for a lujvo that will mean: x1 rules/speaks in >>> judgment on x2 with regard to x3 by custom/law x4, and have created * >>> paitva*, as a construct of *pajni* x1 referees/arbitrates/is a judge >>> determining/deciding matter x2 (abstract) and *tavla* x1 talks/speaks >>> to x2 about x3 in language x4. Would this be correct, or even approximate? >>> Or is there a better construction perhaps *ta'apai*? >>> >>> The rafsi for pajni is pai, and for tavla are tav ta'a, so "paitva" is >> not a valid lujvo, since tva is not a rafsi for tavla (nor can it be for >> any gismu: the "-tv-" is a disallowed consonant combination because of >> different voicing). It could be pairta'a or pairtavla (with an r-hyphen) or >> pajnyta'a or pajnytavla. >> Instead of ta'apai, which falls apart (there's no consonant cluster in >> the first 5 letters), you can use ta'arpai (with r-hyphen) or tavypai >> (voicing differences again, requiring y-hyphen). Longer lujvo are also >> possible: tavlypai, tavlypajni, ta'arpajni. >> I don't know whether the choice of lujvo or its definition is any good, >> but these are the possible forms it can take. >> >> stevo >> >>> -- >>> The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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"tavpai" it's not a valid lujvo either. The = correct form is {tavypai}=A0 since "vp" is not an allowed consona= nt pair.



On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Thank you. Since we are looking for a term to equate to a judge saying: &qu= ot;In the case of (variable) find in the case of (variable) this judgment (= variable). So: "mi tavpai" appears to work for this.

mi'e brais


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:33 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytles= w@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM, L= ee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been looking for a lujvo that will mean: x1 rules/speaks in judgme= nt on x2 with regard to x3 by custom/law x4, and have created paitva= , as a construct of pajni x1 referees/arbitrates/is a judge determin= ing/deciding matter x2 (abstract) and tavla x1 talks/speaks to x2 ab= out x3 in language x4. Would this be correct, or even approximate? Or is th= ere a better construction perhaps ta'apai?

The rafsi for pajni is pai, and f= or tavla are tav ta'a, so "paitva" is not a valid lujvo, sinc= e tva is not a rafsi for tavla (nor can it be for any gismu: the "-tv-= " is a disallowed consonant combination because of different voicing).= It could be pairta'a or pairtavla (with an r-hyphen) or pajnyta'a = or pajnytavla.
Instead of ta'apai, which falls apart (there's no consonant cl= uster in the first 5 letters), you can use ta'arpai (with r-hyphen) or = tavypai (voicing differences again, requiring y-hyphen). Longer lujvo are a= lso possible: tavlypai, tavlypajni, ta'arpajni.=A0
I don't know whether the choice of lujvo or its definition is any = good, but these are the possible forms it can take.=A0

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