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From: Demian Koller To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: d3m1ank@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of d3m1ank@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=d3m1ank@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3bafcf4c581d04d5c4cb00 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4332 --e89a8f3bafcf4c581d04d5c4cb00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 mi jimpe I forgot that I was using a relative clause. Thank you. I'm just trying to actively use the concepts I've learned so far to get a better feel for them. In fact, I don't even recognize a couple of the cmavo you used in your examples. I'll keep at it! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM, v4hn wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 04:14:56PM -0800, Demian Koller wrote: > > Would anyone be willing to tell me if I'm saying something correctly > and/or > > suggest a better way? I'm trying to say "I hope the gift I made makes you > > happy.": > > > > .a'o lo se dunda cu se zbasu mi cu se gleki do > > This doesn't parse, more than one cu in one sentence/jufra without > abstractions > doesn't work out. > > .a'o lo se dunda noi mi zbasu cu se gleki do > > Is probably a _more_ correct version of what you tried to say. > However, {lo se gleki} is an event, no object, so this is wrong as well. > > What do you want to say? > Should _receiving the gift_ make him/her happy? That would be something > along > the lines {.a'o do gleki lonu do te dunda le se zbasu be mi}. > > If you mean something nonspecific involving the object, > you can also use {.a'o do gleki tu'a le se zbasu be mi}. > > > mi'e la .van. mu'o > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --e89a8f3bafcf4c581d04d5c4cb00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
mi jimpe

I forgot that I was using a re= lative clause. Thank you. I'm just trying to actively use the concepts = I've learned so far to get a better feel for them. In fact, I don't= even recognize a couple of the cmavo you used in your examples. I'll k= eep at it!


On Thu,= Feb 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 04:14:56PM -0800, Demian Koller w= rote:
> Would anyone be willing to tell me if I'm saying something correct= ly and/or
> suggest a better way? I'm trying to say "I hope the gift I ma= de makes you
> happy.":
>
> .a'o lo se dunda cu se zbasu mi cu se gleki do

This doesn't parse, more than one cu in one sentence/jufra withou= t abstractions
doesn't work out.

.a'o lo se dunda noi mi zbasu cu se gleki do

Is probably a _more_ correct version of what you tried to say.
However, {lo se gleki} is an event, no object, so this is wrong as well.
What do you want to say?
Should _receiving the gift_ make him/her happy? That would be something alo= ng
the lines {.a'o do gleki lonu do te dunda le se zbasu be mi}.

If you mean something nonspecific involving the object,
you can also use {.a'o do gleki tu'a le se zbasu be mi}.


mi'e la .van. mu'o

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