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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1504 On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > Now to get back to > stuzi, does stuzi simply state an equivalency in the objects' bu'u-tag ? > {ko'a ko'e go stuzi gi dunli lo ka makau jai bu'u me ko'a} ? I'm not > entirely sure. It doesn't really look like it, because that means I get to > say things like {.i lo zdani be mi ca stuzi mi}, which shouldn't really make > sense. "stuzi" is supposed to be for instrinsic locations, "(se) zvati" being the one that corresponds to "bu'u". bu'u = fi'o se zvati tu'i = fi'o stuzi Mountains, buildings and plants have stuzi, cars and animals merely have se zvati. > However, that being said, *what* kinds of things can we even *put* in > stuzi1 ? stuzi1 is probably something that existed before stuzi2 existed and will probably exist after stuzi2 ceases to exist. Also stuzi1 can probably be more, but not less extended in space than stuzi2: "la riodejaneiros ba stuzi la olimpiks pe li 2016" but not "la olimpiks pe li 2016 ba stuzi la riodejaneiros" mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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